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Post by Jessica on Oct 6, 2009 18:31:14 GMT
Thanks Tony for answering my nosey questions!! LOL  It is nice to hear another opinion on the bulldogs, and what their plans and ambitions are within the dogs. I think it can only help us understand our own dogs better, i like to listen to what other breeders thoughts are. I can see you are passionate and compassionate about your dogs, and that can only be good for the breed. Steve is lucky to have people around him like you to promote and maintain his breed. You should come along to a S.A.C.S day soon with your lot, would be nice to see some more bulldogs there. ;D Where the alternative bulldogges is concerned my biggest bone of contention is all the people that are now jumping on the olde tyme bandwagon. Buying one strain indecriminatley breeding to another , Relabling there pups as their own and convincing joe public that they,ve been in the game for years and at the same time not giving the people who bred the original dogs any credit for the pain ,heartache sweat and tears that went into breeding their pup. I know what you are saying - A few years ago we looked into the other stains of bulldogs in the U.K and came across such breeders... It must be frustrating for breeders who have put lots of work in to their dogs - It is certainly one of our fears when it comes to breeding! I think this is why placement of dogs is crucial and strict contracts have to be signed regarding everything. They way we feel is that if a potential owner of a pup feels unhappy about signing a contact, or doing things our way - and other Leavitt bulldog breeders/owners have done, they can go else were for a dog!! We will even go to the extent of home visiting a potential owner if we feel the need. Like you these dogs are our lives, i would rather keep the pup if needed extend kennels than let someone who wasn't 100% on board with our way of thinking have a dog. Over my dead body would a dog be bred from with out consultation or agreement from either us or the Leavitt bulldog association. I know there is a chance that dogs will slip through the net, but we have to do our absolute best to not let it happen for us and most importantly the dogs sake. I think having people around you wanting to be involved with a breed and work with you, and that are passionate you are half way there. |
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Post by grchmason on Oct 6, 2009 18:37:45 GMT
Where the alternative bulldogges is concerned my biggest bone of contention is all the people that are now jumping on the olde tyme bandwagon. Buying one strain indecriminatley breeding to another , Relabling there pups as their own and convincing joe public that they,ve been in the game for years and at the same time not giving the people who bred the original dogs any credit for the pain ,heartache sweat and tears that went into breeding their pup. I know what you are saying - A few years ago we looked into the other stains of bulldogs in the U.K and came across such breeders... It must be frustrating for breeders who have put lots of work in to their dogs - It is certainly one of our fears when it comes to breeding! I think this is why placement of dogs is crucial and strict contracts have to be signed regarding everything. They way we feel is that if a potential owner of a pup feels unhappy about signing a contact, or doing things our way - and other Leavitt bulldog breeders/owners have done, they can go else were for a dog!! We will even go to the extent of home visiting a potential owner if we feel the need. Like you these dogs are our lives, i would rather keep the pup if needed extend kennels than let someone who wasn't 100% on board with our way of thinking have a dog. Over my dead body would a dog be bred from with out consultation or agreement from either us or the Leavitt bulldog association. I know there is a chance that dogs will slip through the net, but we have to do our absolute best to not let it happen for us and most importantly the dogs sake. I think having people around you wanting to be involved with a breed and work with you, and that are passionate you are half way there. Hear hear !!!!!!!! What more could anyone or anything ask for your doing a great job Tarren |
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tb68
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Post by tb68 on Oct 6, 2009 19:09:12 GMT
Where the alternative bulldogges is concerned my biggest bone of contention is all the people that are now jumping on the olde tyme bandwagon. Buying one strain indecriminatley breeding to another , Relabling there pups as their own and convincing joe public that they,ve been in the game for years and at the same time not giving the people who bred the original dogs any credit for the pain ,heartache sweat and tears that went into breeding their pup. I know what you are saying - A few years ago we looked into the other stains of bulldogs in the U.K and came across such breeders... It must be frustrating for breeders who have put lots of work in to their dogs - It is certainly one of our fears when it comes to breeding! I think this is why placement of dogs is crucial and strict contracts have to be signed regarding everything. They way we feel is that if a potential owner of a pup feels unhappy about signing a contact, or doing things our way - and other Leavitt bulldog breeders/owners have done, they can go else were for a dog!! We will even go to the extent of home visiting a potential owner if we feel the need. Like you these dogs are our lives, i would rather keep the pup if needed extend kennels than let someone who wasn't 100% on board with our way of thinking have a dog. Over my dead body would a dog be bred from with out consultation or agreement from either us or the Leavitt bulldog association. I know there is a chance that dogs will slip through the net, but we have to do our absolute best to not let it happen for us and most importantly the dogs sake. I think having people around you wanting to be involved with a breed and work with you, and that are passionate you are half way there. I have a contract in place and on more than one occassion have handed money back due to their refusal to sign it. Like yourself I would rather keep a whole litter than place a pup of mine in a home that I feel is unsuitable. I will now not sell a pup to anyone who has another type of bulldogge at their house if its still entire. If people ring stating they already own dorset I will ask for all pedigree details so I can check up. As someone said to me when looking for a pup that it s easier to get a mortage than it is to get a pup from me. ;D ;D |
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Post by Rik on Oct 6, 2009 20:42:36 GMT
The bulldogs short and slightly upward facing snout enables it to breathe while keeping hold of the bull's nose, its wrinkles allowed blood to flow away from the dog's eyes and nose, and its thickly-muscled neck and heavy shoulders and light hind end helped to prevent the thrashing of the bull's head from breaking the dog's spine. I hope this explains things to you . The dogs in the pics Steve and Jessica posted are IMO more akin to the dogs used to chase and harass the bull from its herd of cows. Where as the type I breed would of been the type of dogges used to actually bait the bull. If you compare the pics I posted of mine and those of Jess you will see what i mean.. I saw the differences, together with this explanation it is some interesting information, thank you! |
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