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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 4:56:17 GMT
What are peoples oppions on this, i was looking on youtube watching a documentry on dog fighting and someone posted a comment underneath saying that dogs have a choice to fight?  Obviously they dont how do they have a choice He even compared dog fighting to ufc fighting. Im sickened to think that people out there think its ok to this and that the dogs enjoy it i mean wtf ? |
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Post by anton on Jun 4, 2010 9:01:56 GMT
This is a group of people interested in athletic events with their dogs. Not interested in fighting. Why are you interested in our opinions on this if you just joined this group? First of all its in the wrong forum. Either in offtopic or debates. But other then that it smells like flame baiting to me if your start off with this type of posting.
Have a good one.
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Jun 4, 2010 9:33:49 GMT
Sorry you got jumped on there !!!! Maybe she was just testing the water to see if this was the type of forum she wanted to be part of. We do not condone Fighting of any shape or form here. So thats cleared that up.
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 11:00:46 GMT
I don't know whether it was intended to test the water so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt Shelly. I know that some people think that the term 'athletic dogs' is some sort of code name for fighting dogs, it isn't. We've had people on here in the past who think that this club is about that and they joined so they could talk about fighting, I banned them. I've even heard of people on other sites using threads like these to identify dog fighting sympathisers and then contact them via P.M.
I don't mind the odd historical reference to fighting but I'd rather we concentrated on going forwards rather than looking back.
Anyway, I wouldn't take any notice of what's said on You Tube, most of it is ill informed nonsense from twelve year olds.
Welcome to the forum Shelley, you'll find lots of like minded people here.
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 11:18:44 GMT
shakka-staff & dog are right in a way i was unsure and wanted to make sure i hadnt joined a bad forum.
And because i was sickened that someone could compare humans fighting to dogs fighting, maybe i will not post on this forum if im gonna get such an unwelcomed response bloody hell i thought forums where about seaking other peoples oppinons.
I joined this site whilst doing some research on the old tyme looking staffs because i thought it looked very informitive and wanted to be apart of that.
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Post by redwilko on Jun 4, 2010 11:48:02 GMT
way 2 go boys thats how we welcome some one new
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 11:50:47 GMT
You have to remember that this area of the dog world is often viewed with suspicion, it's not new and people get tired of defending themselves when all they're trying to do is keep and breed the dogs as they should be.
If you were 100% honest about your suspicions I'm sure you wouldn't have offended and would have recieved an equally honest response.
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 11:51:41 GMT
way 2 go boys thats how we welcome some one new Boys? I think both me and Shakka have both been very welcoming. |
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 11:59:46 GMT
Maybe i could have worded it better, but i did post it early hours of the morning.....and i didnt want to offend people on this site buy just saying are you people who fights staffs? i dont think it would have been a nice way to put it.
I agree with you that it is viewed with suspicion but its very hard to find a forum like this where they recognise and support the old tyme stafford this is the only forum i have managed to find and thats why i was rather warry.
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Post by redwilko on Jun 4, 2010 12:01:08 GMT
sozz that was ment for anton
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 12:07:30 GMT
No worries, I hope we're all back on speaking terms lol.
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Post by anton on Jun 4, 2010 12:15:36 GMT
Yes, I am sick and tired of getting the cops called on me because I am "hanging my dog" (training high jump). Or just being looked up with suspicion just because I have a reasonably conditioned dog. I also don't like having to condone dog fighting every 5 minutes just because of the type of dog I walk around with or the boards I discuss my dogs in. Its like asking a forum with bald guys to renounce anti-semitism. Besides the welcoming comittee is in the other thread  |
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Post by anubis on Jun 4, 2010 12:50:01 GMT
Welcome shelly.....i personaly would put dog fighters in the same catagory as a nonse evil c**ts....would love to know how many of these fookers would have the balls to have a tear up in the pit them selve's to the death.
The only good thing for people of this ilk is a bullet in the back of there crust.
Hope that clears up my feelings on dog fighting.
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 12:50:31 GMT
Appoligises anton if i offended you or other but that was not my intention.
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Post by anton on Jun 4, 2010 13:10:14 GMT
Apology accepted and welcome to the group  |
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 13:24:28 GMT
Thank you
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 15:01:27 GMT
Welcome shelly.....i personaly would put dog fighters in the same catagory as a nonse evil c**ts....would love to know how many of these fookers would have the balls to have a tear up in the pit them selve's to the death. The only good thing for people of this ilk is a bullet in the back of there crust. Hope that clears up my feelings on dog fighting. Thanks for you reply, i agree 100% people who fight dogs are worthless ad dont deserve any kind treatment all they deserve is to be put in a pit with a pack of man eating lions see how they like that. The documentry i watched was horrid and the fact they said these dogs have a choice, how!!!! |
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Post by relic on Jun 4, 2010 15:51:02 GMT
i am not sticking up for dog fighting men far for it but if you read the rules on this so could spot if one of the dogs turns it head as if he has had a nuff then they pick it up and then let him try and make a scratch, if it makes it across the pit then they let it crayon if they do it by the rules but a hell of a lot of people do not do it like that they are just blood thirsty bastards that do it for fun and are breeding shit dogs that are not even game so wots the pint in that. in one of strattons books he tales a story about one old pit mans dogs, they was all kept on chains in the yard he had one old dog that was on his last legs so to let him die with a bit of dignity he let him off and it mad its way over to a nuffer dog and latched on to him wagging its tale, i am not in to blood sports in any way i don't even wotcha the boxing on the tv i just love the history of it all.
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Post by xxxshellyxxx on Jun 4, 2010 16:26:37 GMT
Yes i know the part about them turning there head and if they dont wanna fight they dont let them, well as you say in the rules. I doubt in todays dog fights they follow any rules.
But my point is that how does a dog really have a choice to fight or not because they are raised to think thats what they must do and you will know that dogs just love to please there masters no matter what.
Would any human put themself in a ring fight another person and let someone else bite them to pieces? and do the same to them ?
I just cant see how people think they have a choice....
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Post by Cage on Jun 4, 2010 17:14:56 GMT
I think they do have a choice, if it doesn't wanna fight it will probably jump the box. The saddest part is that if the dog did jump the box/pit then it would probably be killed by it's owner as it's no good to them keeping it unless it's a pet!!
You can see some dogs love to fight, we bred them that way it's just in them...
Do you think that by trying to breed away from dog aggression that many other traits will be lost too ?
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Post by fien on Jun 4, 2010 17:32:50 GMT
Yes i know the part about them turning there head and if they dont wanna fight they dont let them, well as you say in the rules. I doubt in todays dog fights they follow any rules. But my point is that how does a dog really have a choice to fight or not because they are raised to think thats what they must do and you will know that dogs just love to please there masters no matter what. Would any human put themself in a ring fight another person and let someone else bite them to pieces? and do the same to them ? I just cant see how people think they have a choice.... depends who do it you have real dogmen then you have the wannabe gangsters who no shit and make everything bad for everyone else and watch shit documenteries like off the chain and think that how it is to be done to have a gamedog its about the breeding etc and not locking it in a room to make it hard, and game dog will want to fight when pushed plain and simple it has nothing to do with how it is brought up it is in the genes. |
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Post by qred on Jun 4, 2010 18:14:05 GMT
Hi Shelly, welcome, pity you got a not so nice welcome by Anton.
Truth is you asked a fair question. I am really against dog fighting but knowing about it is not a crime. My dog loves to fight, so i need to be careful and watch him and make sure I dont go where he can get into trouble.
I like to know the history of my breed, nothing wrong with that.... so welcome
Marco
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Post by anton on Jun 4, 2010 18:50:27 GMT
Ey Marco, did you read the whole thread before you penned this down? Cheers mate.
The truth is, Shelly didnt come here looking to be educated about dog fighting. She wanted to know whether we were dog fighters. Nothing wrong with wanting to know that, but don't confuse my response with unwelcoming. Just an opinion on wether or not this subject has any merit of being discussed in the general forum of a atheletic canine society board.
And since I doubt you read the whole thread before posting, let me reiterate, the welcoming party is in the other thread.
Cheers Marco, have a good one.
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Post by terrierboy on Jun 4, 2010 18:51:40 GMT
u dont need to apologize to anyone if your question was legit. dogmen or not, athletic or not, staffords had been manmade for fighting and ocassional hunting. like it or not they love a challenge and that's the reality of it. if you are afraid to admit it or accept it; staffords must not be your breed of choice. responsible ownership should be paramount, but dont deviate or pretend otherwise about one of the old gladiators. i also love the history of the breed, dont care for fighting as the are other venues to challenge your stafford physically and mentally. welcome
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 18:52:02 GMT
My dogs want to attack horses and cattle, that doesn't mean I should let them do it.
My nephews would love to play with guns, that doesn't mean I should let them do it.
I want to drive at 130mph, that doesn't mean I should be allowed to do it.
Just because a dog wants to do something doesn't make it right. You're the suppposed to be the intelligent being, you should be making the choices about what's best for them, not them.
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Post by owasocourin on Jun 4, 2010 19:03:41 GMT
i want to drive 130mph, and i do!!!!lol
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Post by dog on Jun 4, 2010 22:53:21 GMT
That's probably the worst analogy I've ever come up with lol.
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Post by qred on Jun 4, 2010 22:53:28 GMT
hey Anton I did read the whole thread thank you... Shelly asked for peoples opinion, not if this group were dog fighters.. And even if you think the welcoming party is on the other thread, no harm in been nice.... ;D have a good weekend as well...  |
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Post by anton on Jun 5, 2010 7:45:27 GMT
Still didnt read the whole thread then Ciao. |
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Post by qred on Jun 5, 2010 10:32:57 GMT
Yep still did read the whole thread….. When Shelly opens the thread she asks the following.. “What are peoples oppions on this, i was looking on youtube watching a documentry on dog fighting and someone posted a comment underneath saying that dogs have a choice to fight? Obviously they dont how do they have a choice He even compared dog fighting to ufc fighting. Im sickened to think that people out there think its ok to this and that the dogs enjoy it i mean wtf ” Now with this she is asking an opinion, not once here does she ask if this is a dog fighting site, You then are the first one to answer and give her your welcoming speech. Only seven posts later did she say wanted to know if this was a dog fighting site… now I am not the brightest bulb on the ceiling, but on her first post, the one that you replied too, no where did she ask if this was a dog fighting site, all she asked was for some opinions, so once again I read the thread AGAIN and she does not according to when you answered and welcomed her so nicely did she ask if this was dog fighting. Anyway it’s a great day and I am going out, once again great weekend . |
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