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Post by gamebill on Oct 4, 2009 0:33:15 GMT
is there anyone breeding pure dublinred staffords
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Post by stefan on Oct 4, 2009 10:52:36 GMT
You won't find a pure one these days. But there are dogs who have a high percentage of ancestry from the original drs staffords.
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Post by max on Oct 4, 2009 11:44:44 GMT
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Post by stefan on Oct 4, 2009 11:54:56 GMT
I don't think so.
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Post by mayhem on Oct 4, 2009 16:33:52 GMT
why s that mate i thought they were his familys dogs  let me know please mate was looking for 1 myself and these seemed to be the closest bred dogs ive seen i kno you cant belive evry thing you read on the net so any input would be great cheers mikey ;D |
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Post by stefan on Oct 5, 2009 6:45:34 GMT
You won't find a pure one these days. But there are dogs who have a high percentage of ancestry from the original drs staffords. there still some that's being kept pure as possible fact//there never available ,or u never hear anything about them ,which is probably for the best ,it boils down to who u no /in my opion that's why u hear people saying u wont find them pure any more. u no the old saying stefan good dogs are were u find them.and pure too  ps im not trying to be a smart ass im just saying they do exist. cheers "straight-shooter" I know they do exist. |
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Post by max on Oct 5, 2009 10:44:11 GMT
Okay well after a bit of digging Ive also come to the conclusion that Ray delaney isnt breeding the DRS pure or at least there isnt any evidence to suggest he is from the information on his site... but I do have good frends who are very close to the man responsible for importing two well kown dogs out of Brindle devil from Ireland all those years ago these dogs made a significant contribution to the creation of the DRS, I found out last night that he is not involved with dogs anymore but Im still happy to believe there are people breeding this strain even though I havent come across any pure myself.
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Post by max on Oct 5, 2009 18:16:13 GMT
Well well Ive just recieved an email back from Ray delaney himself, and he sent me this link to an article he wrote for another site on this very topic.. in it he explains how he doesnt think there is any pure DRS dogs at all as there simply were not enough dogs around to keep this particular line pure.. (his words) Anyway heres the link below, an interesting read I think weather you agree with what hes saying or not...  raydelaney.net/terrier_network/ |
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Post by nasher on Oct 5, 2009 19:24:43 GMT
same could be said about the flynn dogs what was the drs watered down with??
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Post by stefan on Oct 5, 2009 21:06:20 GMT
 This dog doesn't look like at all like the badger dogs.
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Post by quinlent on Oct 5, 2009 21:37:50 GMT
Owh bugger what an idiot! it brings sadness in me head
MARCO
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Post by martinl on Oct 5, 2009 21:38:26 GMT
must be gay badgers lol
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Post by dog on Oct 5, 2009 22:16:41 GMT
err...WTF? What is that website? Who wrote that?
"very typical of the Irish staffs used in the field in the late 60's and 70's"!!!!
I think somebody's been abusing the medicine cabinet.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Oct 5, 2009 22:34:33 GMT
Oh yer, thats the frog, i mean dog you need !
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Post by mickthetrick on Oct 5, 2009 23:03:20 GMT
theres still stuff around if you know were to look |
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Post by frank on Oct 6, 2009 11:08:34 GMT
raydelaney.net/terrier_network/what a load of rubish /but i dont think rays saying all this b,s deliberately,it seems he just dosent no any better and is ignorant.i dont think id be far wrong in saying he wouldent no very much about these dogs after the late 70's when they came to the uk except for what hes read on the net, and if he think's that this dog he posted on his site is one of the best looking staffs he has seen in forty years and was the type used in the field in the late 60's and 70's,  ! ,in my opion that says it all about the mad man. ;D cheers "straight-shooter" ;D Had a discussion with the man years ago before he left for the States, and must say that he had some strange views. Don't remember all, but I was ready with the man. |
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Post by wybren on Oct 6, 2009 19:40:26 GMT
This dog doesn't look like at all like the badger dogs. Oh my god. This dog looks more like a turtle than like a stafford... |
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Post by buck on Oct 6, 2009 19:45:18 GMT
gamebill you have pm mate |
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Post by matty on Oct 7, 2009 9:25:21 GMT
Definately some pure Dublin Red out there if you know where to look, just the whole red strain folk are very very secretive.
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Post by duffy on Oct 8, 2009 18:26:43 GMT
a few pure drs dogs do exist, in small corners, i know of a couple in the north west.as for the badger type dogs then it may suprise some that many were indeed of this ultra bully type, it did not take an athlete to lock jaws with brock for 5 minutes, i have a lot of pictures from the photo album of one of irelands most noted stafford/ badger trial gentlemen, a man most will have heard of if interested in this sort of thing, and some of the pictures in there are astounding as to how unathletic many of these trial dogs were.
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Post by delaney on Oct 8, 2009 23:15:47 GMT
Hello Forum
I have joined this forum, not to debate the breed, because it's quite obvious in reading that a majority on the forum are followers of the more athletic type of Stafford. and as they say, to each his/her own.
I want each and every one of you to take a look at this topic just see the poison, some of you are bad mouthing me, and yet you don't even know me as a person.... I don't know any of you on here, but some of you are trying to tarnish me and my family name, so I'm in to clear it all up for those of you who can handle the truth , but just want you all to see just how certain individuals on this forum are trying to poison me just how they have tried to poison the different lines of dog and yet know absolutely nothing about the dogs.... a real shame!
Lets start with Username "straightshooter" quoted...
this guy raydelaney is trying to make a quick buck off his uncles name /them dogs have no Dublin red strain blood in them what so ever not even 1 percent.they have no relation to any dogs from the trials days/fact
Max, I don't know who the hell you are but in my own defense I will say that I have not bred or sold a Stafford puppy or dog in 6 years, I also don't have any more Stafford's, I lost my last Stafford to heatstroke, Texas was all a bit to much for him, a few years before that I lost my imported red bitch to a C-section, so now I don't have any Stafford's, the site you are referring to is on display for those who are interested in a bit of Irish Stafford history and nothing more.... so making a buck on my family name is just pure poison from someone who's know absolutely nothing about me, my Uncle or his dogs.
Forgive me if I get the wrong username to whatever thread, but you all understand what the general point I'm trying to get across, so if I get the posts mixed up... please don't take it personal, jsut know I screwed it up somewhere trying to keep track of the many postings...sorry about that.
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This dog doesn't look like at all like the badger dogs. Stefen, you wouldn't know a good badger dog if it came up and bit you in the ass, you have been chasing information from my uncles dogs and information on me for many years, post all over the place how you know everything about the game and the dogs used, your last posting was to the UK website the Hunting Life where you stated that Brindle Devil was a champion before Willie brought the dog to Ireland..... absolute crap, no such thing, it was my own farther that brought the dog over, if you want the truth just go to my web site as I'm sure you've been there quite a few times.... but I would say to you my friend if you want to talk about good dogs and the people then my advice to you would get it right... because your so off base with many things you have posted... have you really seen a good badger Staff? do you really know what a real one looks like, well I've handled at least 50+ dogs from all over Ireland, I've sat cooped up in the backs of cars and in the boot with some of the finest badger staffs you can only wish you had the pleasure of being there, so don't tell me that dog that posted on the terriernetwork.com site is no badger type dog or old Irish type of Stafford... man wipe your glasses, what was Bobby Watt's dogs like? and my own Uncle had at least 12 dogs just like the one posted and were all cracking game badger dogs and held CC certificates, they didn't gain their championship just on a badger, no they went up against some great stafford men, who knew what a good looking dog looked like, but again you favor the athletic type so you wouldn't know or even appreciate a good dog... if you want to get real my friend, you like dogs such as Delaney's Red Saint... do you know the real reason why he was being sent down badger setts? the truth is that he was a runt of a dog in my uncles eyes, looked nothing like the type of dog my uncle was going for, the disired dogs of the day were dogs that could be taken to the show, so many dogs like Delaney's Red Saint were taken out on badger digs for fun and the mentality at the time was if they get caught of happen to get killed, SO WHAT, at leaset we had fun, why leave the crap dogs back in the kennels or stray them on streets... no they had fun with them and when they came across a good one, they knew what line to breed from... man there is so much you just don't know...
Username "straightshooter"
what a load of rubish /but i dont think rays saying all this b,s deliberately,it seems he just dosent no any better and is ignorant.i dont think id be far wrong in saying he wouldent no very much about these dogs after the late 70's
ignorant? yes thats me... lol
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Had a discussion with the man years ago before he left for the States, and must say that he had some strange views. Don't remember all, but I was ready with the man.
Well Frank... I have no clue as to who you are but please enlighten me as to where in Ireland we had this so called discussion... as I say I have no clue as to who you are but if you would like to have a discussion, you can always email me, but sure would be interesting to know who you are, because you know the old saying, paper doesn't refuse ink, you can be who or what you want to be over the internet and I think this is the case here in your comments... Frank who? the only Frank I know that I've met in the Staffords, he was in my friends house in the North of Ireland and was drunk and talking shit about his black mut he had on the lead, calling me YANK and I hadden't even left the country... a very bright lad wouldn't you say....
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Well well Ive just recieved an email back from Ray delaney himself, and he sent me this link to an article he wrote for another site on this very topic.. in it he explains how he doesnt think there is any pure DRS dogs at all as there simply were not enough dogs around to keep this particular line pure.. (his words)
Well Max...or should I call you Katie...If I would have known you were out to hang me out to dry, I wouldn't have responded to your email, but it's nice to be nice, and there is the thanks I get... and it's ok to mention your friends, friends name, his name is Mr Dan (Maurice Dan) no big secret Max... stefan? and you wonder why I didn't respond to your email, for what, to be hung drawn and quarterd, by the way I didn't get your email, I only know this because of your post in The Hunting Life site, but you ever wonder why I wouldn't respond....when I read nothing but absolute crap about me or my families dogs.
I haven't read any other discussions on this forum, and I have to be totally honest with you all and say, if they are as truthful as this one, I wouldn't want to read them, as it appears to me there are to many chiefs and not enough Indians and after having seen the way some of you have put me down and without even knowing me... then there would be no truth in anything said about the great dog men or their dogs.... can't trust anyone these days.
Well my friends and foes, as I say I've never sold or bred a dog in 6 years, the dogs on my site, I never stated that any of them were of the old lines, they are dogs from cracking show stock.
Before I sign out I want to share with the type of crap that gets put out there on the internet, I read a few postings yesterday from a few lads that are from Ireland, and were posting to another site all about the badger dogs and lines etc...
This is a guy that is meant to be in the breed for 40+ years and he said.... your own story spinner "stefan can vouch for this as he was also one of them in the same post... this guy came out and said that his Stafford, that was down from Bobby Watt's stuff got loose one day and Killed 5 Greyhounds.... what do people get out of bs'ing... that must have been one hell of a dog ;D who do they thing they are fooling, no disrespect, but I guess they are fooling fellow forum users just like you guys when you, yourself believe things that are just not true about certian individuals and their dogs etc..
As I have said I'm not coming in here to debate any of you or your type of dogs, if you like the athletic type good for you, if you like good show stock, great! to each his/her own.
I am 100% terrier man, I love most breeds of terriers and quite fond of the Staff and the Red Lakeland / Fell, both in show, hunt and field.
All I can say is good luck with your Staffs, enjoy them, and try keep it straight.
Ray
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Post by max on Oct 8, 2009 23:39:50 GMT
Well Ray I dont know why you're having a go at me! I havent said anything against you at all, in fact I have kept an open mind about this topic right from the start.. all I said was I believe there are some people breeding the DRS line in the US thats all..... lol From the way your site is laid out it would be quite easy to assume you were, and until I read through the articles on your site properly, and checked the kc numbers from your dogs on a pedigree database only to find that I was wrong and and that they have nothing to do with the DRS line. I then stated quite clearly that I was wrong in my next post.... From then I posted the link that you sent in reply to the message my partner Katie originally wrote to you, we were very pleased to hear back from you and to hear your opinion on the matter, Im sorry you think that we had planned to hang you out to dry as you put it but that was never our intention and really I cant see how you ever came to that conclusion! have you actually read through my posts properly? ? |
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Post by delaney on Oct 9, 2009 2:22:32 GMT
Well Ray I dont know why you're having a go at me! I havent said anything against you at all, in fact I have kept an open mind about this topic right from the start.. all I said was I believe there are some people breeding the DRS line in the US thats all..... lol Hello Max! No problem my friend, just when someone emails a person, I think it should be kept personal.... thats all......no harm done Username"Dog"I think somebody's been abusing the medicine cabinet. Sorry my friend, don't drink, smoke and no medicine cabinet in my home, I'm probably more ripped than your dogs Macy and Sonny put together at the age of 47... nice one lol Username "MartinL"must be gay badgers lol MartinL, that your dog in the arvar image, very nice jack Russell that, there's a forum called The Hunting Life, they have a great thread on jackers just like that... lol Username "wybren"Oh my god. This dog looks more like a turtle than like a stafford...Wybren... bravo! I have to comend you on your observation, just how it struck you that this dog is very strange and something really different about him in his expression and head type..... THIS is the very thing we all noticed in the line of the old dog brindle devil, not them all but one or two out of every litter had this strange expression and head type.... just like when you see a real great border terrier, you can't but help comment on the dogs head type because it's very different, and this is the very same thing that caught everyone's eye when my uncle would walk in the ring with a new one out of the kennel, terrier men all around the show ring would make all sorts of comments about the strange expressions because and I'll say this again, because the normal type of Stafford that they were used to seeing were very pit like, but they had never seen anything like the dogs that Brindle devil was producing. I have to say this helped Willie in the show ring, some of his dogs were cracking and some would be just the normal every day Staff. Here's one for you "stefan" since you know so much about my uncles dogs..... Brindle devil was a pup when he was brought over to Ireland, he had won a puppy class in the UK, but couldn't be shown, because he was a scrapper and wasn't to keen on the judges either when it came to showing the bite, he was not a champion but had won a few points before he went to Ireland, he was just under a year old and when Willie came home from the UK, this was a good few months after the had arrived and Willie took him out for a run and the dog kept stopping like Willie had to drag him and still no go, so he took him off the lead and the just bolted across the field in front of Willies home and Willie thought he was running off but no sir, when Willie took the dog out he had noticed a dog off in the distance, that's why he was dragging in the first place, anyway he ran off and he jumped into a river type ditch and when Willie had got there the dog was standing over a German shepherd dog, he had killed the dog in the time it took Willie to get there.... Standing there with the big Staffy smile with hair all over his mouth. Willie took him home and it wasn't but 2-3 days after that Devil got out and killed a young girls puppy, Willie replaced the puppy and said to himself, the next thing you'll be seeing boyo is a badger. We took the dogs out to a place in Dublin called Portmarnock where there was an active sett, we couldn't even let the sounder near Devil, he'd kill it, so we had to cover Devils head and let Taffy Willie's sounder do his stuff.... by the way Taffy a wire Jacker and not a tooth in his head... a crack up, anyway Taffy would draw the badger out enough to place a wooden board behind the badger and let Devil at him.... I'm not kidding you when I say that this badger was 40+ lbs and didn't get a chance to lay one on the dog.... he grabbed and two shakes and that was it, the board fell down in the shuffle and Devil went to ground and we thought he was going to die for sure because it was a sand badger sett, but all we could hear was thumping and Devil backed out with another badger in his mouth... that was it the rest was history, all his pups were just the same, as game as anything ourselves had ever come across. The amount of badgers he had drawn himself and killed in one day was 5. Willie stopped him after a while and put him to Stud, because he knew the dog was game and also knew that he produced some strange headed but cracking dogs. All Devils sons and daughters that Willie had in his kennel where all shown and also all on badger. Well boys and girls... That's about it. All the best Ray |
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Post by stefan on Oct 9, 2009 8:56:29 GMT
Username stefan This dog doesn't look like at all like the badger dogs. Stefen, you wouldn't know a good badger dog if it came up and bit you in the ass, you have been chasing information from my uncles dogs and information on me for many years, post all over the place how you know everything about the game and the dogs used, your last posting was to the UK website the Hunting Life where you stated that Brindle Devil was a champion before Willie brought the dog to Ireland..... absolute crap, no such thing, it was my own farther that brought the dog over, if you want the truth just go to my web site as I'm sure you've been there quite a few times.... but I would say to you my friend if you want to talk about good dogs and the people then my advice to you would get it right... because your so off base with many things you have posted... have you really seen a good badger Staff? do you really know what a real one looks like, well I've handled at least 50+ dogs from all over Ireland, I've sat cooped up in the backs of cars and in the boot with some of the finest badger staffs you can only wish you had the pleasure of being there, so don't tell me that dog that posted on the terriernetwork.com site is no badger type dog or old Irish type of Stafford... man wipe your glasses, what was Bobby Watt's dogs like? and my own Uncle had at least 12 dogs just like the one posted and were all cracking game badger dogs and held CC certificates, they didn't gain their championship just on a badger, no they went up against some great stafford men, who knew what a good looking dog looked like, but again you favor the athletic type so you wouldn't know or even appreciate a good dog... if you want to get real my friend, you like dogs such as Delaney's Red Saint... do you know the real reason why he was being sent down badger setts? the truth is that he was a runt of a dog in my uncles eyes, looked nothing like the type of dog my uncle was going for, the disired dogs of the day were dogs that could be taken to the show, so many dogs like Delaney's Red Saint were taken out on badger digs for fun and the mentality at the time was if they get caught of happen to get killed, SO WHAT, at leaset we had fun, why leave the crap dogs back in the kennels or stray them on streets... no they had fun with them and when they came across a good one, they knew what line to breed from... man there is so much you just don't know... I still learn every day. The only reason why I post the things I've been told or the info I have available is to get a reaction out of the men who were there. I never meant to disrespect you and your family. I'm just a Stafford enthusiast, born after badger trials were outlawed in Ireland. |
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Post by dog on Oct 9, 2009 9:38:07 GMT
Hello Ray, I've seen quite a few badger dogs and none of them looked anything like that, the only time I've seen dogs like that is in KC shows and it's exactly the type I wish we could get away from. I would have been more convinced if the dog was an actual badger dog rather than one that looked like one. I'm more than willing to concede that dogs of that type may well have been used and been very good at that trial but it's not a type I ever want to own or admire. I think it's an exaggerated, overdone, characature of a dog. I'm sure a dog of less disabling dimensions could have done the job just as well.
Having said that I respect the fact that you have responded to the criticism in such a way and the fact that you've been there and seen it. I apologise for being sceptical about your knowledge and I'm willing to concede that you may be right about the dog in the picture but I will never think of that dog as "cracking","excellent","one of the best dogs I've ever seen" and it is certainly not an ambassador of the breed. In my eyes it's everything a Stafford should not be. The Staffordshire is a mix of Bull and Terrier and that dog is (if you'll excuse the pun) all Bull.
Welcome to the forum Ray.
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Post by dog on Oct 9, 2009 17:54:28 GMT
I don't know why anyone would want a pure DRS dog anyway. A pedigree (even if it is correct) gaurantees absolutely nothing. What you should be looking for is the best sire and dam you can find regardless of pedigree, that's what gives you the best chance of getting a good dog.
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Post by delaney on Oct 9, 2009 19:11:59 GMT
Boy you guys sure know how to rope a man in to keep talking about the old lines.. lol although I have to say, it comes real easy to talk about the past because I loved it, every minute of it with the great dogs and the old doggie men and the badgering experiences, just a great place in time for me and so many others..
Anyway. Hello Dog... I managed to get my hands on a few uppers this morning so bear with me, I should be good to go... lol
No, but you do make quite a few very valid points, and some that should not be disregarded but addressed, but lets try and brake it down and see if we can put some of the truths uncertainties that some people have to rest, shall we.
I would have been more convinced if the dog was an actual badger dog rather than one that looked like one. I really don't know how to help you there, but if you've seen any of Willies dogs, as I have already stated, all of Willies dogs were show stock, his goal was to produce a great looking dog by the KC standards but, dogs that had the desire to do what they were bred for, it's as simple as that, the ones that didn't come up to par regarding KC standards, were either held back and given a bit more time to develop and take another look at them in a few months time, or if any of the pups had any glaring faults from a KC stand point, then these pups were the first to got, most of the time they were given to family members or friends because Willie still wanted to keep his hands on the dogs he bred close to him and also, if he wanted to take the dog out on a badger run, he always knew where they were, and when he was tapped out on family and friends he would try and place the dogs in homes that would work them, friends of friends etc..
This also opens up a huge can of worms, because you've got to remember that a majority of the Stafford lads back then, had the same very goal as did Willie, to produce a set type of dog (KC Standards) but with the heart to do what they had originally been bred for, and to get the equal balance of bull and terrier just right was, as in any other breed hard thing to produce that so called perfect type. So if you were a fan of the staff breed back then, you knew what type of dog was winning and what type of dog you had to produce. Like being in any breed and being at the top of your game, Willie had the dogs that were kicking ass in the show rings and to top that, because he was a man that believed that a dog should be able to do what he was bred for, he badgered them and badgered them really well... so it didn't matter whether you were Willie Delaney or anyone for that matter, who was at the top of their game, it set the pace and even harder to accomplish but it didn't stop them from trying, there were many men at the shows, who were also at the badger trials, playing the game, all friends, but in the back of their minds out to prove who had the better dog of the day, just how it should be. the stories are endless on how they got to shows, on how they got to certain trials around the country, many of them traveled together. Then it became a rivalry kind of thing, the Dublin lads and their dogs going to say county Cork or county Limerick etc, the lads in there own counties also hard their own top men, so as you can imagine Willie at the top of his game was not welcome at many of the trials, because the fact is, many of them felt intimidated because you can bet your bottom dollar, if Willie is traveling to any major badger trail... he's not traveling to loose or with un-tested dogs.
Now getting back to your comment.... that was all just one are of the Staff game, remember, a majority, I can't emphasis this enough, a majority of the Staff fancy were Show enthusiasts first, but not just have a looker but one that could hold his own in the ring and do what he was bred to do. Now in saying that, you also had another group of Staff enthusiasts, these lads, like any other enthusiasts, loved the breed of dog, but looks and type set were not at the top of their list, all they cared about was, can the dog pull or kill a badger, and "Dog" these are the type of Staffs that you are referring to, that looked more like a badger dog than the KC type..... these lads, many of them were also great friends with the KC group of Staff enthusiasts, call it what you like, the great divide or whatever, the fact is, there were a number of different groups of breed enthusiasts in Ireland, (KC and Badger) (Badger) and (Gamebred) so again "Dog" when you are referring to type, the dogs you are referring were, I'm sure from the Badger or Gamebred group, but the fact is, the majority went to the (KC and Badger enthusiasts)
I think this post will, or should give you a better idea as to the confusion of the different types, another thing that needs to be mentioned that there is no question about it, Brindle Devil was the dog to have in your line, for either type and gameness, with many of the various groups using him over their bitches, so lets think about this for a minute, if you have a bitch from KC background mated to Brindle Devil, chances are your going to get a majority of the pups that will reflect the show background type of dog.. on the other hand if you take a bitch that absolutely has no KC points or standards, of course the are going to be extremely varied in type and look nothing like the KC type of dog, but for the Badger group, this type of dog would be perfect for what they want and need to take badger and so on.. but it must be also noted that many of the badger dogs that were bred just for badger and by the badger groups, when they came to the major trails, many of them couldn't come close to the KC type of dog, this is not a personal opinion but a fact, just look at the dogs from, Willie Delaney, Tommy Connell, and his dog "Duke of Rubycon" Bobby Watts, and Kerry King, Ban Ri, Battling Beauty, Billy Rickard, John Barrett, Edward Byrnes, Billy Bell etc... some real cracking KC show and badger dogs, the absolute best in the country.
I'm more than willing to concede that dogs of that type may well have been used and been very good at that trial but it's not a type I ever want to own or admire. I think it's an exaggerated, overdone, characature of a dog. I'm sure a dog of less disabling dimensions could have done the job just as well.
Well I mean, that's a given, your into that athletic type and that's why you in this particlklur forum board, so of course your not going to give the KC type dog the time of day, because what appeals to you is your own type, and that's great as I say to each his own, you can't really compare or match up dogs from their own respective groups, whether weight pulling, KC or Badgering they are all different types, horses for courses..
you may be right about the dog in the picture but I will never think of that dog as "cracking","excellent","one of the best dogs I've ever seen" and it is certainly not an ambassador of the breed. In my eyes it's everything a Stafford should not be.
Again your right, you wouldn't see this dog in the same light as myself because your not a KC type enthusiast, but being that you are into weight pulling you might know a good little Stafford bitch called" Red Lady of Samantha" a 40-41lb bitch, pulling in the 580's to 590's, she was a nice bitch out of (Red Tiger x Sally of Delaney) and if you look at her, she is very close to the old head type, a nice bitch and one that I'm sure you would appreciate because she's a Staff within your group type..... so ya know, to each his own, but you can't compare or square off dogs from their different types, as I say horses for courses..
The Stafford is a mix of Bull and Terrier and that dog is (if you'll excuse the pun) all Bull.The KC enthusiasts we wouldn't call it all bull, but would call it "Over Done" sam thing really but from a KC's point of view he's not over done, and I have no doubts if you want to see the terrier in him, just put a badger in front of him and you'll soon see the terrier in him.
You know, the KC type dogs are not perfect, not even close but we try, there are many faults within the KC breed and that would be the chronic breathing problems, alleviating some of the bull, would help, being that alot of the more bull type Staffs carry this problem...so I can see where you would think, he's a frog, turtle etc... but in the KC world.... for sure considered a great looking dog for the standard.
Well boys and girls.... I'm exhausted with all the writing but had to come in and try and clear up a few things, that I know to be true etc...
Hope all of this helps... you weight pulling fans and also the apbt lads..... I have quite a bit of information in that area also but one at a time...
All the best.....
PS .. Well Frankie boy... where are you?..... see all these claims and nothing to back it up, what was it you said... he had strange ways or views when you last spoke with me before I left for the USA....... typical!
I would take a guess and say you not even from Ireland, because if you were... you would of had the balls to tell me then and there what you thought of me or my views..... It's what we do, no love lost just sharing one's thoughts...... and move on.... I guess you wouldn't understand that though being and Irish thing and all......but I hope to group can see the type of acusations I have to deal with.... I don't even know who this person is etc...
Oh, and "Stefan" thats all great but, it's one thing to post what you've been told, and an entirely different thing to post what you know to be fact/true ... but thats ok... getting to old trying to keep up with you all ...lol
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Post by dog on Oct 9, 2009 19:28:02 GMT
We may have opinions on dogs that are poles apart but I've always got time for someone knowledgable and articulate like yourself. Thanks for your response Ray, you're a gentleman.
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Post by wybren on Oct 9, 2009 19:53:56 GMT
Well Ray,
I must say you sure can entertain men with your stories.
I would like to mention this forum offcourse is a forum for athletic staff enthousiasts. But I feel the members surely can apreciate a so called KC dog.
I consider my bitch to be a stafford that can be shown at a KC show. I did so and got some really good critiques.
She is on the other hand on the athletic side of the show stock.
You can check out my topics in the pictures section. I really feel the members on here appreciate her type. It also the type I consider a good KC show dog should have.
A good dog should anatomicaly be correct, and surely some show dogs are not. On the other hand I see a small change in winning show dogs these days in England and hope this development will also shift to the other continents.
Maybe I get a change on winning a show award also ;D
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Post by andrewp35 on Oct 9, 2009 20:13:16 GMT
Delaney, Some good old pictures wouldn't go a miss Very interesting read ! |
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let me know please mate was looking for 1 myself and these seemed to be the closest bred dogs ive seen i kno you cant belive evry thing you read on the net so any input would be great cheers mikey ;D
! ,in my opion that says it all about the mad man. ;D
