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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 16, 2009 22:09:00 GMT
Our dogs are engineered from diffrent types. We reached the desired result and they were set to type 100 or so years ago, but should we stop the engineering there. The staff is not the most athletic dog in the world nor is the EBT etc, so should we be aiming to improve types futher, like the Bull, running dog crosses etc. After all athletic dogs is what this is all about. I would love to here your thoughts.  Quote -'Dog'...I hope you don't mind Neil, I changed the name of your thread and moved it to the new section that you asked for  |
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 18, 2009 18:36:38 GMT
love the running dog crosses,but you will always get the purists not wanting to outcross and move forwards ,if and when i even breed lexi our nell it will be to a running dog,nell a good coursing grey and lexi a coursing whippet, both proven of course ,as will my two be,
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Post by quinlent on Dec 18, 2009 19:03:28 GMT
Our dogs are engineered from diffrent types. We reached the desired result and they were set to type 100 or so years ago, but should we stop the engineering there. The staff is not the most athletic dog in the world nor is the EBT etc, so should we be aiming to improve types futher, like the Bull, running dog crosses etc. After all athletic dogs is what this is all about. I would love to here your thoughts. Quote -'Dog'...I hope you don't mind Neil, I changed the name of your thread and moved it to the new section that you asked for as far as Staffords are concerned, we should strive for the seeling of the breeds capability in an athletic perspective. but should never sacrifise type and size limitation. In Staffords we should primarily strive for the capacity of non quiting and a body that can obey it's mind . And that can perfectly be done within available stock. One must remember that when you are breeding in other breeds you are not realy improving as you wil implement all the faults of that breed too. a difficult matter! Cheers - Marco |
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Post by dog on Dec 18, 2009 19:17:52 GMT
I think it all depends on what athletic event you're breeding a dog for, if it's for the 100m then the whippet is the obvious choice. The A-frame is different and I think the jury is still out on that one, I've seen dogs of various body types and breeds do extremely good performances. there are loads of other events that could all have dogs that suit them best but the Stafford is a pretty good all rounder. I'm hoping the Ingles bull will be too.
In terms of general athletic ability then it should be remembered that the dog is decended from an endurance hunter and for me their most impressive athletic performances come when they're tested for endurance and that's why I highly rate dogs like the husky, fighting breeds and endurance hunters like the foxhound.
For that reason I'm training Sonny to compete at a bikejoring competition next autumn, it will be like a scene from cool runnings or the last indian when I turn up to compete against huskies but I'm confident he's going to shock a few people. I certainly got some odd looks and dismissive comments when I turned up with him to spectate at their last event.
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Post by ianhurley on Dec 18, 2009 20:27:22 GMT
another way would be to stay within the breed and use selective breeding methods like using dogs with longer necks,legs and backs and continue to test and throw the best back into the hopper.
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Post by quinlent on Dec 19, 2009 9:31:29 GMT
I think it all depends on what athletic event you're breeding a dog for, if it's for the 100m then the whippet is the obvious choice. The A-frame is different and I think the jury is still out on that one, I've seen dogs of various body types and breeds do extremely good performances. there are loads of other events that could all have dogs that suit them best but the Stafford is a pretty good all rounder. I'm hoping the Ingles bull will be too. In terms of general athletic ability then it should be remembered that the dog is decended from an endurance hunter and for me their most impressive athletic performances come when they're tested for endurance and that's why I highly rate dogs like the husky, fighting breeds and endurance hunters like the foxhound. For that reason I'm training Sonny to compete at a bikejoring competition next autumn, it will be like a scene from cool runnings or the last indian when I turn up to compete against huskies but I'm confident he's going to shock a few people. I certainly got some odd looks and dismissive comments when I turned up with him to spectate at their last event. Dog where is that heald is it with a kickbike? or bicycle? can you post details for me i might join ya to make the scene even more odd ;D Sorry for getting of topic here but these ideas tickle me. YEEHAA Marco |
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Post by dog on Dec 19, 2009 12:29:10 GMT
I think it all depends on what athletic event you're breeding a dog for, if it's for the 100m then the whippet is the obvious choice. The A-frame is different and I think the jury is still out on that one, I've seen dogs of various body types and breeds do extremely good performances. there are loads of other events that could all have dogs that suit them best but the Stafford is a pretty good all rounder. I'm hoping the Ingles bull will be too. In terms of general athletic ability then it should be remembered that the dog is decended from an endurance hunter and for me their most impressive athletic performances come when they're tested for endurance and that's why I highly rate dogs like the husky, fighting breeds and endurance hunters like the foxhound. For that reason I'm training Sonny to compete at a bikejoring competition next autumn, it will be like a scene from cool runnings or the last indian when I turn up to compete against huskies but I'm confident he's going to shock a few people. I certainly got some odd looks and dismissive comments when I turned up with him to spectate at their last event. Dog where is that heald is it with a kickbike? or bicycle? can you post details for me i might join ya to make the scene even more odd ;D Sorry for getting of topic here but these ideas tickle me. YEEHAA Marco I'll most likely be using a bicycle as that's what I feel suits him best but there is also a kickbike class. It's the only event I've found that I can enter with him because most races are sled dog only or neutered cross breeds because they don't want to encourage cross breeding! snobs! It's through the sled dog association of scotland and takes place in Thetford forest on the Suffolk/Norfolk borders. I think if you turned up with a Staffy that would really make them laugh because they seemed quite entertained by the thought of my rather leggy (22" and 55lb) Ingles Bull Terrier taking part. I'm certain that Bull breeds could do very well though. I wasn't at all impressed by the condition of some of the dogs and most of them were struggling with the heat (10 degrees celcius). The course varies between 2.5 and 4 miles so it's not a long course by any means and is well within the capabilties of a fit dog. You have to register your dog and the only criteria is that it needs to be of a build capable of pulling a sled/bike/scooter?  Whatever that means??? You also need insurance and they can put you in touch with a company that can do that for you. Ther are no details of the 2010 race up yet but there are other events across europe on there up until the end of febuary. www.sdas.org.uk/ |
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 12:47:15 GMT
i like the look of this to owen ,do u recon lou will perform well? post some details of the criteria , mate
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Post by quinlent on Dec 19, 2009 12:47:57 GMT
hmmm OK up to Scotland then i am in the mood and the distance is a laugh i''ll see if some of my club wants to join in i will come with Quinlent Connemara he does the ten mile in an hour.
and with a husky in front of him as a natural lure mate i better put on some safety gear and a helmet ..... YEEEHAAAAA
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 12:51:20 GMT
marco u got a link were i can get a kick bike pal?
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 12:55:46 GMT
how is the dog attatched to the pushbike owen?
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 12:56:50 GMT
marco u got a link were i can get a kick bike pal? googled it mate £399 for the nuts cross country one. |
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Post by dog on Dec 19, 2009 13:12:16 GMT
It's not in Scotland Marco, they do events all over the country and across europe although you won't be able to enter Staffies in most of the events. The event I want to do in Suffolk/Norfolk is about an hour's drive north of London. There are lots of kickbikes you can buy and good ones start from about £160 although there are others designed specifically as dog scooters and they're a little bit more but not too much. The dogs are usually attached to the bike by a pole or similar attached to the front of the bike which just takes the bugee cord and rope away from the front wheel to stop it getting tangled in it. www.dogscooter.com/www.kickbike.com/www.culpeppers.co.uk I'll be using the bike because it gives a smoother input so that the line doesn't keep going tight and slack when you push on the kick bike but you do take your life in your hands, riding a bike with a nutty dog attached is not the safest thing you can do, at least you can step off a scooter quickly if it all goes wrong. You can also get to a higher speed with a bike and Sonny seems capable of pretty high speeds when he gets going, I'm not sure my legs could keep pushing on a scooter at his top speed. You compete against people on the same thing as you though, either bike or scooter so it's fair but it's just slightly different and you need to pick one that suits you, if you're not mega confident on the bike then I'd say go for the scooter. |
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 13:38:01 GMT
i have a walky dog, that would work if atattched to the front,hey?.got a large pine forest link with mud roads near me to,
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Post by dog on Dec 19, 2009 13:57:42 GMT
I'd thought about getting a walky dog for mine too, let me know how you get on with it. You have to be careful about it snagging the front brake cable on mountain bikes though so check it's not going to be a problem.
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 19, 2009 14:00:42 GMT
will do owen, may even dare to take lexi and lou at the same time on a slitter,lol best take out some insurance now,  |
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Post by quinlent on Dec 19, 2009 14:04:17 GMT
I have a Kickbike but think footbikes are better.
Ok dog London area is just fine
i am sure some of my french friends will join me they do a lot of kickbiking with there Staffords too.
i use a system in front of mine used for biking with dogs it works just perfect.
Marco
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Post by quinlent on Dec 19, 2009 14:07:07 GMT
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Whatever that means??? You also need insurance and they can put you in touch with a company that can do that for you.