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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 21, 2009 15:28:35 GMT
Now i was just wondering which single legal sporting event best suits the bull and terrier type as a true test of confomation, drive, endurance and strength. i personally like the idea of a 10-15 mile run next to a bike, with heart rate measured to return to normal within a said time, as i believe endurance was 80-90% of the bull breeds job. love to here your views  |
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Post by wybren on Dec 23, 2009 7:23:54 GMT
I don't think a 10-15 mile bike run covers it all. I like the pentatlon like we did in Holland at the staffordtimes. A-frame, High Jump, Hang-time and tug-of-war. You could exchange i.e. tug-of-war for a bike run, and you would have a really tough test.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 23, 2009 12:45:34 GMT
yer your proberbly right, strength also needs to be displayed and i like the events you have mentioned. Im not too fond of the tug of war as i believe it may encourage dogs not to work together in the field and this is vitally important for ratting etc. Weight pull which you didn't mention is also not my cup of tea as it is detrimental to endurance muscle types when practiced at heavy weights.
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Post by xtobbenx on Dec 23, 2009 12:47:49 GMT
Tbh i dont know. I would say that just runing would be more of a test of the true runing dogs (grayhound, whippet etc), while a bull breed would be better tested for speed and endurance through WP sprint. Or some uphill hard terrain runing with opsticals, where it really need that extra power to manage on top performance.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 23, 2009 13:04:50 GMT
Wp sprint would surely not test endurance sufficiently, a 10 miler differs greatly to the distances performed by running dogs which is around 200m- 400m. I believe pit dogs required massive amounts of enduranceand the conformation to achieve that type of training., more like a stronger built hound. A frame tests drive and agility, Not sure what hang tuff measures, High jump measures power from the rear end, so sure 1 event may not be enough, but i think we dont place anywere near enough importance on one of the main qualities in the u.k, Endurance. I believe a 10 miler now occours in Holland and will hopefully be held here by SAC's in 2010.
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Post by quinlent on Dec 23, 2009 23:06:09 GMT
When i put a dog to a test I do the following i must mention this is a solo activity but is easy to put within Wybrens post. This is what i did with Connemara not so long ago
07:00 10 mile bike run as fast as possible measured by a computer on the bike we finished @ 07:56. when you push your dog to this speed his body is hurting believe me.
08:10 Tug of war training
Explanation as i was alone with one dog i connected a garage spring with a rope to a tree connected a dummie at the end pulled out the spring and imediatly pulled the rope on the dogs harness then i measured the time how long he could work that spring the spring has a power of 60 kg. Now what you see in this tug of war be it tough against a spring or easy against another dog the dog is forced to find and use other muscle tissue and technique to at least stand his ground. Also a real character test connemara let go after 30 minutes exhausted
9:00 A - frame he did 29 in one minute his average is 33 and his record for the moment is 35
09:30 then i connected the dummie to a rope in a tree and did a hang time he quited at 6 min. i gave him 2 minutes rest for a second attempt and he lasted almost 12 minutes then i did the high jump on the same dummie and he did easy 1,65 meters but failed his average of 1.70 m there was almost no break inbetween these two disciplines.
@ 10:30 after me coffee and me sandwich i took him to his final test his favourite the lure race we have a manual machine and i connected a ring at 50 meters to a tree the lure went thru the ring and i walked back to the lure machine this was on a sandy ground very loose sand as i wanted to see how he heald his race time was impossible for me to measure. There was no difference in his behaviour after all that he had done during his race and i could not discover any where any time where i could have the idea that he slowed down or was slower
back home jumping in his kennels like he had nothing done the bastard. and i think that what i did is the maximum for me but not for me dog as he is willing to die for what he is doing. And as i don't want to test that part i think i can only try to improve on his results in a safe way.
Now what did he do he ran his longues out of his body his feet where hurting he wrestled a 60 kg spring in a tug of war simulation still pushing his feet in the ground then he went for one minute over the Aframe while everything in his body must have been hurting as i watched him closely i could see the trouble he went thru and during that he needed all his muscles he used in the disciplines before then he did a hangtime in total 18 minutes and then after a breakfast break sprint like he had nothing done before and the same behaviour at home
but for me the only way to test the character and fysics of my dogs within the laws of the Netherlands. so for me this type of testing in the shape of an event is the best What Wybren discribes comes near but the time inbetween the disciplines to me is still to large as a test.
Cheers - Marco
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 24, 2009 12:17:20 GMT
Cheers mate. Top reply
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Post by anton on Dec 24, 2009 13:08:10 GMT
I like the things put forth thusfar. I am missing however a bit about intelligence. This could be tested by adding a more mental activity during the test that Marco describes. For example, in Rommel's case, I would add some tracking after the a-frame part.
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Post by ianhurley on Dec 24, 2009 14:02:21 GMT
i.m.o. the best events are tug o war and a-frame. tug o war because when two gladiators are matched weight for weight and locked eye to eye, when both have given it their all, with their jaw muscles weakened, their heads telling them "enough", it will be the gallant, most tenacious, courageous, or determined dog that will drive-on regardless. And these are the attributes we should be trying to retain as best we may. A-frame is a simple set up (like tug o war) but designed to sap a dog of its energy in a short space of time. I think it is best done with dogs doing 3 rounds with a minutes rest in between each round. It test a dogs stamina, soundness and determination. Also with these two activities most people can train their dogs in their own back yard, giving everyone a more equal chance at competing, unlike weight pull, which requires more specialist equipment.
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Post by qred on Dec 24, 2009 21:46:23 GMT
Hi Marco
I am going to try exactly what you did with Red's brother. I am not sure if Red will do as well, I will let you know the times etc how Red does. The only problem I will have would be the tug of war, any ideas on what else I could do for that.
I will do it next week sometime and let you know.
Marco
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Post by flynn on Dec 29, 2009 19:28:58 GMT
I find a little bit of everything works well but you cant beat flirting imo, works out all of the body and mind and if done right is very vigirous, shows a dogs drive, speed and flexibility. I know having two different types it's been interesting watching them flirt and how they get a different work out. One just goes at it 100mph, determined to kill the lure the other plays for a while but gives up. The one who goes at it 100mph is the easiest dog I have had to condition. Anything I throw at her isn't really a challenge just a taster. We go biking, a-frame and swimming along with long walks but when I really want to get her in good nick I bring out the flirt pole. Two twenty minute sessions per day and you really see them go and their body change.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Dec 30, 2009 8:07:20 GMT
Got to say i agree with you flynn, just cant see how we make flirt pole a competitive event but as a conditioner and a test its second to none.
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Post by quinlent on Dec 30, 2009 9:22:30 GMT
flirtpole is an awesome training for every discipline i agree, it is indeed impossible to make it measurable.
Marco
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Post by anton on Dec 30, 2009 10:16:37 GMT
IT could be a judges competition like freestyle freesbie or doggy dance  Not a fan of that type of sport though (as a competition). |
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Post by bullmatt on Dec 30, 2009 10:21:14 GMT
IT could be a judges competition like freestyle freesbie or doggy dance Not a fan of that type of sport though (as a competition). yeh right ;D i could just see you(in your dungarees) and rommel in a doggy dance comp.pmsl |
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Post by southern-staffords on Dec 30, 2009 11:58:11 GMT
IT could be a judges competition like freestyle freesbie or doggy dance Not a fan of that type of sport though (as a competition). yeh right ;D i could just see you(in your dungarees) and rommel in a doggy dance comp.pmsl HEY!!! DONT forget the umbrella!!!lol by the way my fave event is group racing maybe having groups on a dog track 2 laps 3-4dogs. |
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