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Post by maligater on Jan 7, 2010 20:16:19 GMT
i agree with that, same with gaurding breed really they can be small furry aggressive and dog aggressive its in the breed. its just extreme dog aggression i wouldnt like, i would deal with it as i love a challange  hence getting a mali. but he isnt a nice dog hes a great working dog but makes a shit pet lol hes just not nice at all and will target faces on dogs and ppl so you have to be soooo aware of everything. this is genetics too, but doesnt mean it cant be sorted hes already soo much better, but like has been said you guys are not going to sell to joe bloggs you value your dogs too much, so in therory shouldnt fall in the wrong hands. so like any working breed they get the owner that can handle them and any extreme behaviours |
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Post by czbruno on Jan 8, 2010 7:21:29 GMT
I have sighthounds that look out,a spaniel that spends her time with her nose to the ground,an earth dog that flies down every hole and kills anything small and furry she can reach. If i went out and got myself a fighting breed tomorrow i should expect it to want to fight. Understanding the breed and their drives in key to successful and safe ownership. The other thing is excepting that some of the greatest dogs you shall ever meet shall be the biggest pain in the arse ever to live with - often they do not make easy or realistic pets. Training is very important,however i believe that with certain breeds it will only control,not "cure" so to speak- you cannot take the heart out of the lion. Experience has also taught me how carefully promotion of drive should be considered when training dogs but that is another thread i guess  ) |
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 8, 2010 10:14:42 GMT
and would you have it any other way frank? I do not aproach it as a problem, but as a part of the dogs character. THis agression gives also the dog it'sfire in all the things it does. But combined with htis character they must be great family pets. I think most problems exist with people who take a Stafford and think they can change their dog, or that their dog never will be that way because it is so sweet. Everybody who ever got a Stafford from me(and that where not that many) knew what he got, and could expect. And that is how it should be, as a breeder first try to scare the optional new owners for your pups. If they still want a pup after that you can be pretty sure that you will not get those pups back later because they can not handle the dog. the only thing with humans is they switch off and KNOW WHAT THEY WANT,and a few will not listen to anything you say just see a cute puppy and tell you what you want to here.we had one of our male pups returned at 8mths old because the woman was scared of him (these people came to my house ,and were told repeatedly what the pup would make)::)now the two people who had him were the last people we thought would return one of the pups,she seemed to be a strong person he a 6ft body building doorman,they already had a boxer so it was not there first dog,my nephew now has wesley and has turned him from a non stop barking ,woman dominating pup into a reasonably well behaved puppy ;D not bad going for a 22 yr old who also has a littermate bitch and a stafford,oh we did have 12 so 1 returned is not a bad percentage and its a happy ending for weza  |
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Post by dannyboy on Jan 8, 2010 15:29:07 GMT
I have one here that screams at the sight of another male, and sometimes it can be hard, especially when trying to get him in shape, it seems you either find a field that might have other dogs in, or livestock wont be far away, so i literally cant let him off the lead anywhere  ...... This can be a nuisence, but what i hate more is a "stafford" that rolls over or runs away when challenged....dont know why but to me its not a nice sight. |
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Post by maligater on Jan 8, 2010 18:56:49 GMT
thing is out of my two security dogs as a example my GSD bitch is also very extreme in drives. would die for me and has proven that time and time again, backs down from no man. BUT this dog has the great ability to switch it on and off. at home shes our family at work a beast of a dog. but will read every situation and react upon it so even if a freindly person became aggitated she would soon stop them. the malinois how ever NEVER switches off, and too me thats not healthy. hes amazing i LOVE his attitude and wouldnt have him any other way, but this dog doesnt stop to think, has no idea of personal saftey when not working. hes known as the machine as no matter what he just keeps on going lol. i love that in him, but think if he could switch off now and then he would be more healthy. as their jobs were stressfull enough which can shorten their working life as they are constantly on alert adrenalin and stress running through them. so i think a nice healthy balance is right. and like you say who would want a staffy or any other breed if it didnt have the drive you want. i wouldnt have gone and bought a Flabrador to work in the field as they well cant work hence why i got a all working bred lab whos nose would have him run through lots of hedges lol
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Post by frank on Jan 8, 2010 20:48:52 GMT
Theree will always be people who will comment on dogagressive dogs. But we have to make sure that we do everything possible to avoid our dogs to get dangerously close to another dog, thus a confrontation. Also anoing screaming and barking can be solved to a minimum by just turning the dogs head to another side. Believe me it works, as most of the times I have ever been in a ring, I was the one with tha lunatic, so I know what I am saying ;D But remind me, who are you? I do not face my dogs. I am Hélène. My dogs are Muscle and Hope I understand. And I have respect for what you say. Two nice bitches, with a slight preference for the brindle lady  |
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Post by frank on Jan 8, 2010 20:52:20 GMT
I do not aproach it as a problem, but as a part of the dogs character. THis agression gives also the dog it'sfire in all the things it does. But combined with htis character they must be great family pets. I think most problems exist with people who take a Stafford and think they can change their dog, or that their dog never will be that way because it is so sweet. Everybody who ever got a Stafford from me(and that where not that many) knew what he got, and could expect. And that is how it should be, as a breeder first try to scare the optional new owners for your pups. If they still want a pup after that you can be pretty sure that you will not get those pups back later because they can not handle the dog. the only thing with humans is they switch off and KNOW WHAT THEY WANT,and a few will not listen to anything you say just see a cute puppy and tell you what you want to here.we had one of our male pups returned at 8mths old because the woman was scared of him (these people came to my house ,and were told repeatedly what the pup would make)::)now the two people who had him were the last people we thought would return one of the pups,she seemed to be a strong person he a 6ft body building doorman,they already had a boxer so it was not there first dog,my nephew now has wesley and has turned him from a non stop barking ,woman dominating pup into a reasonably well behaved puppy ;D not bad going for a 22 yr old who also has a littermate bitch and a stafford,oh we did have 12 so 1 returned is not a bad percentage and its a happy ending for weza Have had also people like that, and must say that it is often more a excuse then something else. Age is nothing, some with 10 know more then some of 45, sad but the truth. |
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 8, 2010 21:00:41 GMT
the only thing with humans is they switch off and KNOW WHAT THEY WANT,and a few will not listen to anything you say just see a cute puppy and tell you what you want to here.we had one of our male pups returned at 8mths old because the woman was scared of him (these people came to my house ,and were told repeatedly what the pup would make)::)now the two people who had him were the last people we thought would return one of the pups,she seemed to be a strong person he a 6ft body building doorman,they already had a boxer so it was not there first dog,my nephew now has wesley and has turned him from a non stop barking ,woman dominating pup into a reasonably well behaved puppy ;D not bad going for a 22 yr old who also has a littermate bitch and a stafford,oh we did have 12 so 1 returned is not a bad percentage and its a happy ending for weza Have had also people like that, and must say that it is often more a excuse then something else. Age is nothing, some with 10 know more then some of 45, sad but the truth. dont understand what your getting at with the(and must say that is oten more a excuse then something else) bit frank  |
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Post by anton on Jan 8, 2010 23:10:00 GMT
Matt, im pretty sure Frank means the "the woman was scared of him" part.
Some people will *lie* that their dog bit them or their loved ones as its an socially accepted excuse for getting rid of a dog.
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Post by dannyboy on Jan 9, 2010 1:46:14 GMT
;D thing is out of my two security dogs as a example my GSD bitch is also very extreme in drives. would die for me and has proven that time and time again, backs down from no man. BUT this dog has the great ability to switch it on and off. at home shes our family at work a beast of a dog. but will read every situation and react upon it so even if a freindly person became aggitated she would soon stop them. the malinois how ever NEVER switches off, and too me thats not healthy. hes amazing i LOVE his attitude and wouldnt have him any other way, but this dog doesnt stop to think, has no idea of personal saftey when not working. hes known as the machine as no matter what he just keeps on going lol. i love that in him, but think if he could switch off now and then he would be more healthy. as their jobs were stressfull enough which can shorten their working life as they are constantly on alert adrenalin and stress running through them. so i think a nice healthy balance is right. and like you say who would want a staffy or any other breed if it didnt have the drive you want. i wouldnt have gone and bought a Flabrador to work in the field as they well cant work hence why i got a all working bred lab whos nose would have him run through lots of hedges lol Completely agree, would be so much easier if he could have that "switch"....unfortunately (for me) hes full on ALL the time......wouldnt change him for the world though...must be gluten for punishement |
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 9, 2010 10:30:50 GMT
Matt, im pretty sure Frank means the "the woman was scared of him" part. Some people will *lie* that their dog bit them or their loved ones as its an socially accepted excuse for getting rid of a dog. got ya , lost in translation me thinks |
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Post by frank on Jan 13, 2010 7:31:43 GMT
Matt, im pretty sure Frank means the "the woman was scared of him" part. Some people will *lie* that their dog bit them or their loved ones as its an socially accepted excuse for getting rid of a dog. got ya , lost in translation me thinks Anton is right, he is almost a mindreader ;D |
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 13, 2010 18:04:59 GMT
got ya , lost in translation me thinks Anton is right, he is almost a mindreader ;D with them sandy coloured dungarees and that rainbow coloured umberella i know what i would say he was.lol(only joking anton)  :-*lee please put that pic in the lol thread |
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Post by ianhurley on Feb 7, 2010 18:51:19 GMT
I'll take them as they come so long as they have all the essential traits I'm looking for, as far as I'm concerned, the aggressive types are what they are but just need a bit more thought and control when handling around other dogs. I think if you made concentrated efforts to breed out all aggression to other dogs, then i think they would end up lacking something!
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Post by christian on Feb 7, 2010 19:33:36 GMT
Staffs r naturally firey thats wot they were bred for, they use to put staffs into workin dogs like patterdales to but a bit more fire in them. Now a think some of the show stuff could do with a bit of patterdale in them!
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Post by ianhurley on Feb 7, 2010 20:03:22 GMT
Staffs r naturally firey thats wot they were bred for, they use to put staffs into workin dogs like patterdales to but a bit more fire in them. Now a think some of the show stuff could do with a bit of patterdale in them! i saw one recently in my local rag in a dogs home looking to be re homed, patt/ staff. was a fine looking dog, very strong head with eye's pulled tight, cheak muscles like sideboards and the smallest and neatest of ears set forward, looked like a tidy Herbert, i know you shouldn't judge a dog by looks alone but this one just gave you that impression he would work and work hard. i expect someone bought him and couldn't handle him! |
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Post by rkd on Feb 8, 2010 9:56:10 GMT
I think it all depends what you want the dog for. I grew up on a farm with working dogs the best of which I would not be able to handle today. With only 1-2 hours for attention/day and in a house with only average garden my fav would have gone mad. BTW, back in the day we even bred her (unsuccesfully) in order to get some offspring with similar qualities. I still like working dogs but I am happy to have slightly more docile and easier to manage examples these days firstly for their own good. I meet so many ppl , with working dogs' offsprings as pets, that wonder why their dogs dont calm down after 1/2 hour walk  . |
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hence getting a mali. but he isnt a nice dog hes a great working dog but makes a shit pet lol hes just not nice at all and will target faces on dogs and ppl so you have to be soooo aware of everything. this is genetics too, but doesnt mean it cant be sorted hes already soo much better, but like has been said you guys are not going to sell to joe bloggs you value your dogs too much, so in therory shouldnt fall in the wrong hands. so like any working breed they get the owner that can handle them and any extreme behaviours
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...... This can be a nuisence, but what i hate more is a "stafford" that rolls over or runs away when challenged....dont know why but to me its not a nice sight.
:-*lee please put that pic in the lol thread 
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