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Post by czbruno on Jan 24, 2010 13:36:02 GMT
Firstly i was not dishing out flack- your decision to breed was your choice alone ,you are prepared to stand by that decision clearly which is good.
There is nothing constructive in a lengthy debate as regards to bull crosses on here and i fail to see the point when the puppies are already on the ground without homes.
I find your comments regarding how "notoriously" unhealthy lurchers and sight hounds are a reflection of your true ignorance regarding working dogs.
It shall remain a shame that you didnt educate yourself on working dogs before you decided to start producing them,but as i said too late now that they are here.
I truely wish you the best of luck with finding good homes for these pups
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Post by paddy on Jan 24, 2010 19:37:47 GMT
the Dams "unquestionable temperament around your 3 cats"? what you mean by that?...and wot relevance would this have to a hunting dog/lurcher???i ask as you have put this up on the forum for debate and i find that an odd trait to look for in the breeding of this type of cross
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Post by grchmason on Jan 24, 2010 23:55:05 GMT
czbruno, like i said i'll take i'll take all the flack you want no worries. These pup's can go to either pet or working homes imo. I used Dolly as i personally feel she's proved herself to be worthy of bringing pup's into the world. Her temp around my kids, other dog's, my 3 cats, my 2 ferrets, my friends baby's is unquestionable imo. Running dog's are notorious for having bad feet, weak skin, lack of bone but do bring speed and a fairly laid back attitude to the table. Cross this with a dog that has drive , is bidable, a genuinely loving nature, good muscle and bone structure ( Not the best confirmation but thats a matter of opnion  ) good feet, then you'll have a rabbiting / lamping dog that wil take a knock or 2 and not have to be laid up for weeks, plus it will also have ( hopefully ) the right bone and muscle to do all the athletic stuff that i do now, plus when we go to game fairs and the like it will be another interst for myself and my family to have, rather than just the small circles we move in now. I did consider buying in a pup but there was nothing out there that ticked all the boxes for me. The nature of the sire is great and his achievements speak for themselves so i would of got a pup out of him but there was nothing that came close to what i wanted. Also when you buy a dog it's never easy imo. You are having to believe the person who'm you are buying from. So if he say's it's o.k with children or alright with other dogs you only have his word to take. Not for me i'm afraid, i want to see the dog in his natural enviroment and see what he's truley like. alright and o.k are not words i'd want to hear. Brilliant, fantastic, great are words i like to hear. You seem to know a bit cz, what dog's do you run ?? I feel for you!!! Hope you find the pups some good homes  Tarren |
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Post by blackstaff on Jan 25, 2010 16:38:27 GMT
Firstly i was not dishing out flack- your decision to breed was your choice alone ,you are prepared to stand by that decision clearly which is good. There is nothing constructive in a lengthy debate as regards to bull crosses on here and i fail to see the point when the puppies are already on the ground without homes. I find your comments regarding how "notoriously" unhealthy lurchers and sight hounds are a reflection of your true ignorance regarding working dogs. It shall remain a shame that you didnt educate yourself on working dogs before you decided to start producing them,but as i said too late now that they are here. I truely wish you the best of luck with finding good homes for these pups For a start when i bred Dolly i was assurd by people that they would have a pup when they arrived, which have since let me down, hence i'm in this position. It was never my intention to bring these pup's into this world THEN find homes for them, like i feel you are intending ? I have fallen out with these ' friends ' over this which is regretable. Also i wasn't the one trying to start a debate on bull crosses like you suggest ? Secondly i think if you read the post back i have NEVER said that lurchers and sightounds are ' notoriously unhealthy ' i said they are notorious for having bad feet. A completly different thing. I know many lurchers that are as fit as a fiddle and would run till their lungs burnt out but many running dogs get bad feet from work. If you can put better feet on a dog the all the better surely ? As for ' educating ' myself on working dog's i personally feel that you have no knowledge of my experience in this matter, what dog's i own / have owned, what dog's i know / go out with. All this variables seem to be overlooked from your point of view. Like i have stated and will obviously have to state again i bred these dog's for my own purpose and the people i spoke to regarding having a pup were more than happy with what i am trying to achieve. I have never stated these will be pure working dog's, because they're not !! They will be equally happy either sitting by the fire, chasing a lure or going out in the field loooking down a beam. You still haven't answered my question about what dog's you run cz. I asked as you seem to know what your talking about but all you have done is question somone elses actions ? For all i know you may be an activist who has had a poodle in thier handbag the last 10 years, read the countrymans weekly every now and again and you know everything about everything !!!! Thank you for the comment at the end of your last post and i'm sure the pup's will find homes soon. At the moment i'm in the process of getting some kennel materials to make for these pups in case they don't go. How many people do you know who are that commited to their dog's ? I would imagine not many |
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Post by blackstaff on Jan 25, 2010 16:46:36 GMT
the Dams "unquestionable temperament around your 3 cats"? what you mean by that?...and wot relevance would this have to a hunting dog/lurcher???i ask as you have put this up on the forum for debate and i find that an odd trait to look for in the breeding of this type of cross Hi paddy, i think the revelence is clear in my mind, but i may of not written it properly  My dog has never gone for my cats or ferrets and knows not too. Surely this is a good sign of how stable a character and good temprement she has ?. I can take her out lamping, ferreting whatever, then go home have a cuppa whilst the dog is sitting on my sofa with my cat and not trying to eat them !. I hope i have explained my point ? If not then i'll try again |
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Post by blackstaff on Jan 25, 2010 16:48:03 GMT
Cheers Tarren  |
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Post by czbruno on Jan 25, 2010 16:59:18 GMT
Ultimately it matters not what i or anyone else thinks.
.I believe you will do your best for these pups and yes that is more than can be said for some.
I am not sure what you mean by which dogs i run?
If you are asking if i have any hounds then yes i do,but only a whippet and lurcher suited to rabbit work- i am not trying to be vague i just dont see the relevance to this breeding
As i said best of luck i am sure you will find homes eventually and shall watch with interest how your pup turns out
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Post by czbruno on Jan 25, 2010 17:02:19 GMT
Oh but please rest assured i am not an anti..... so long as you are not one of those cruel b******s that hunt foxes!"!!!!!!!!
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 25, 2010 17:28:57 GMT
Oh but please rest assured i am not an anti..... so long as you are not one of those cruel b******s that hunt foxes!"!!!!!!!! dont really want to get involved in this row, but what does your patterdale go to ground on rabbits? |
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Post by czbruno on Jan 25, 2010 17:37:07 GMT
Sorry i was tickled by being called an anti.
She is obviously a fox dog
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Post by bullmatt on Jan 25, 2010 17:39:54 GMT
Sorry i was tickled by being called an anti. She is obviously a fox dog ok, i like her alot she coming on the 30th? |
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) good feet, then you'll have a rabbiting / lamping dog that wil take a knock or 2 and not have to be laid up for weeks, plus it will also have ( hopefully ) the right bone and muscle to do all the athletic stuff that i do now, plus when we go to game fairs and the like it will be another interst for myself and my family to have, rather than just the small circles we move in now. 
My dog has never gone for my cats or ferrets and knows not too. Surely this is a good sign of how stable a character and good temprement she has ?. I can take her out lamping, ferreting whatever, then go home have a cuppa whilst the dog is sitting on my sofa with my cat and not trying to eat them !. I hope i have explained my point ? If not then i'll try again 