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Post by paddy on Aug 4, 2010 22:08:13 GMT
Makes me laugh how someone recently got their knickers in a twist about a history book yet another lad has just joined the forum simply to sell a litter of puppies and thats ok with everyone!?....its clear to see for anyone with a brain that certain members only post when they want to hype dogs with a view to sell puppies in the future or simply when they got a litter to flog!...the admin on here should cull the peddlers not support them!
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Post by mandog on Aug 4, 2010 22:19:39 GMT
I'm no peddler, just found out about the forum from a member on here. He knew i was looking for some buyers and pointed me in this direction-knowing you guys honor these type. The bitch is 4 years old and its her first litter. Very doubfull i will be breeding again i don't think that makes me a peddler. Come on was i supposed to join when i had sold them, only just found the forum. I did ask permision before i posted the add for them.
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Post by paddy on Aug 4, 2010 22:29:40 GMT
I'm no peddler, just found out about the forum from a member on here. He knew i was looking for some buyers and pointed me in this direction-knowing you guys honor these type. The bitch is 4 years old and its her first litter. Very doubfull i will be breeding again i don't think that makes me a peddler. Come on was i supposed to join when i had sold them, only just found the forum. I did ask permision before i posted the add for them. Real handy you 'found' the site just when you had a litter to flog ...your looking for 'buyers' punters to sell puppies to for profit a backyardbreeder at best but in some eyes...a peddler!...but this thread aint just aimed at you mandog...there plenty of the greedy feckers on here!...seen some real good litters struggle to find homes in recent years...bet you will be begging to give em away in a few weeks...but i wish you all the best i really do for the pups sake!...LEAVE THE BREEDING TO THE EXPERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!...BEST TO BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bullrover on Aug 5, 2010 7:45:21 GMT
I'm no peddler, just found out about the forum from a member on here. He knew i was looking for some buyers and pointed me in this direction-knowing you guys honor these type. The bitch is 4 years old and its her first litter. Very doubfull i will be breeding again i don't think that makes me a peddler. Come on was i supposed to join when i had sold them, only just found the forum. I did ask permision before i posted the add for them. Real handy you 'found' the site just when you had a litter to flog ...your looking for 'buyers' punters to sell puppies to for profit a backyardbreeder at best but in some eyes...a peddler!...but this thread aint just aimed at you mandog...there plenty of the greedy feckers on here!...seen some real good litters struggle to find homes in recent years...bet you will be begging to give em away in a few weeks...but i wish you all the best i really do for the pups sake!...LEAVE THE BREEDING TO THE EXPERTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!...BEST TO BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't comment on Mandogs reasons for breeding but he does admit joining the forum after being pointed here by a mate who new he was looking for buyers, be interesting to see how long he stays after the pups have gone. I've got to agree that you need to have a good reason for breeding and be sure your dogs are right to breed from. With so many dogs in rescue breeders should only be breeding from the best specimens for betterment of their breed/line.
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Post by mandog on Aug 5, 2010 8:03:26 GMT
Paddy as you can see the dogs i've bred from are good to breed in anyones book. Who gives you the right to say if someone can or can't do what they like, its not like its hurting you. I'm generally interested in staffords and have better things to do than take abuse. You have put me off this forum slightly.
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Post by dog on Aug 5, 2010 9:15:09 GMT
I've already deleted one thread and I'll be keeping an eye on this one. It's an important issue and worthy of debate but try not to be too personal about it please.
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Post by mandog on Aug 5, 2010 10:35:49 GMT
Thanks for deleting my post it was a bit out of control i must admit.
So who the hell made you an expert paddy? Or is it because you breed fighters ." LEAVE IT TO THE EXPERTS". Not an expert in your field of duty(scum) no. That only says one thing, whats wrong with you almost announcing it like that. The dogs i've bred who is to say i'm not an expert. OH Then these places do attract people like you.
Conclusion: Its alright for paddy to sell as many puppies as he likes as long as he is an expert in the field of what a REAL stafford breeder is I.E dog fighter. But not ok for me and my family to enjoy bringing up our first and last litter of puppies so we can keep one.
Its very hard to come on these forums knowing i have to constantly defend myself rather that chat about what the forum is about. I suppose that is what the little x in the corner is for.
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Aug 5, 2010 15:05:23 GMT
I dont think pups should be sold on here. But its not my forum.
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Post by paddy on Aug 5, 2010 21:14:21 GMT
Thanks for deleting my post it was a bit out of control i must admit. So who the hell made you an expert paddy? Or is it because you breed fighters ." LEAVE IT TO THE EXPERTS". Not an expert in your field of duty(scum) no. That only says one thing, whats wrong with you almost announcing it like that. The dogs i've bred who is to say i'm not an expert. OH Then these places do attract people like you. Conclusion: Its alright for paddy to sell as many puppies as he likes as long as he is an expert in the field of what a REAL stafford breeder is I.E dog fighter. But not ok for me and my family to enjoy bringing up our first and last litter of puppies so we can keep one. Its very hard to come on these forums knowing i have to constantly defend myself rather that chat about what the forum is about. I suppose that is what the little x in the corner is for. Cant see where i have been insultive or abusive to you personally 'mandog'...all i have posted are a few home truths obviously you are not 'man' enough to take it on the chin without throwing your toys out the pram and making assumptions and accusations about someone you know nothing about...clueless!...please feel free to point out where i have stated 'iam an expert' because im not and i havent...and lets get one thing straight i DONT sell dogs...you wont find anyone on the net who has bought a dog or pup from me...so lets not start making shit up and stick to the facts...like i said before the thread wasnt aimed just at you...nothing personal...your just another peddler pissing in the gene pool! admin/mods feel free to delet me...and i will leave the dealers to peddle their pups in peace....all the best
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Post by ...Paul... on Aug 6, 2010 0:17:02 GMT
but surely you would be sayin this about anyone who breeds....... watchin that panorama thing shows that staffys are being bred for fun an money. not for what they can do or for what they got. i am no exspert by any means. i have bred my bitch once, an if i wanted i could arrange for all her pups to come to a sacs day, well one comes anyway an he been done. but just one person sellin pups that we see thousands of people doing every day........did he really need to picked out like that.................
just my view anyways.
but i will say please please vet your homes well before they go. as the last thing u wonna see is them walkin down the road with a preggers 9month old bitch or even them with no dog at all.
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Post by mayhem on Aug 8, 2010 14:57:25 GMT
u dont sound much of a peddler to me mate 4 yr old bitch has had 1 litter both parents are from good stock and uve bred to keep 1 for your self your pups look in great shape both parents health checked and clear of hereditary complaints and the pups were found homes to begin with but uve been let down and are looking in a good place for a home for them wots the prob with that sounds to me like your doing a good job mate dont let peoples whinging put u off the forum mate not every 1s like this most people on here are decent and helpfull atb with finding them homes i would have 1 myself but moving and its skint me out i will ask around tho ur not to far from me atb
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Post by paddy on Aug 8, 2010 15:47:27 GMT
Well reading the replys i now realise i got this forum all wrong...not really a place to discuss dogs more a place to sell/off load them...a site to join as soon as you have something to sell... epupz with A frames......
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Post by anubis on Aug 8, 2010 15:47:33 GMT
There is a very well known Show Breeder of English bulls in the UK....That are producing 20-30 litters a year at £800 a pup...and they call them selves responsable breeders...Why would the KC allow this to happen would be my question...Thats why they dont like others to put down there show type winners to much money to lose...again these are not chavs of the street these are so called responsable breeders who have been in the show seen for many years and made thousands and thousands from selling and showing dogs.
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Post by bullrover on Aug 8, 2010 15:56:29 GMT
20 to 30 litters a year!!! That's not a breeder it's a puppy farm. Where the hell do they find homes for that many pups.
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Post by anubis on Aug 8, 2010 16:09:55 GMT
I agree its going on though and has been for years.
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Post by bullrover on Aug 8, 2010 16:17:27 GMT
Let's hope it doesn't get like the puppy mills in the states. I watched a dog whisperer episode showing puppy mills and couldn't believe what went on.
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Post by mayhem on Aug 8, 2010 16:18:29 GMT
wots ur deffinition of a peddler then paddy ?? the guys in a place where hes been let down by people that were sposed to have pups so hes asked around and got pointed here where better to find a good home for your well bred healty athletic pups than an athletic dog forum ?? its rare in the time ive been on here to see pups for sale as most breedings done by people here have had homes befor the dogs were even bred so wots with the epupz with a frames
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Post by anubis on Aug 8, 2010 16:45:09 GMT
Let's hope it doesn't get like the puppy mills in the states. I watched a dog whisperer episode showing puppy mills and couldn't believe what went on. How it works is you get the judges on side..you pat my back ill pat yours mentality.Champ your sir and dam out...Then for some reason they think this make a quality bred dog and gives them the right to stud out,Breed untold litters to produce more so called future show champs....For the new commer looking for a bull terrier who has no knowledge of the breed fall into the trap that they are bying into a well bred pup because sir and dam are champs and past gens are champs.Beleave me there is no lack of new commers bying into the world of show bred dogs. Most of the time judges are big breeders them selves figures right.Its big business in the show world...Thats why they take it so personaly if you knock there dogs...They dont want new commers knowing there breeding poor dogs to stand looking pritty in the show ring...They will lose byers
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Post by bullrover on Aug 8, 2010 17:03:39 GMT
I suppose it depends why you want a dog, thats one of the problems with show dogs and fashions, give a dog a title and all of a sudden it becomes desirable and valuable. The athletic dog world might not be perfect but its a damn sight better than the K.C. world.
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Post by oldetyme on Aug 8, 2010 17:16:28 GMT
i don't see why there should be a problem advertising the occasional litter of athletic type Stafford's on a forum like this as the pups are more likely to end up in the right homes! its different if someone is using the forum to knockout litter after litter. some people seem to think if you don't breed game dogs, then their not well bred (horses for courses) and the breeders are just peddlers! which is pure rubbish. mandog.... good luck finding homes for your pups.
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Post by mandog on Aug 8, 2010 17:31:15 GMT
thankyou.
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Post by bullrover on Aug 8, 2010 17:43:32 GMT
i don't see why there should be a problem advertising the occasional litter of athletic type Stafford's on a forum like this as the pups are more likely to end up in the right homes! its different if someone is using the forum to knockout litter after litter. some people seem to think if you don't breed game dogs, then their not well bred (horses for courses) and the breeders are just peddlers! mandog.... good luck finding homes for your pups. I agree with that, but I do think there is an over supply of Staffys in general. I personally would leave the breeding to those who know what they are doing and are improving or maintaining the quality of their chosen breed or line. I'me not in a position or of a mind to judge someone like Mandog and wish him all the best and hope the pups turn out well with good homes. My comments were more on the general state of affairs in the dog world.
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Aug 8, 2010 18:13:13 GMT
Mandog asked the owner of the forum if he could post these up which is more than most do, like i said i dont think pups should be sold on here, but in the same breath i dont feel i have the right or know mandog to judge him which is why i posted nothing origionally. The sire is a good dog and the dam is from decent breeding, especially when you consider whats out there at the moment. Good KC dogs are hard to come by IMO. GL finding homes for them my wife wants one although im putting my foot down and saying no this time until weve moved house.
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Post by terrierboy on Aug 8, 2010 20:41:52 GMT
Let's hope it doesn't get like the puppy mills in the states. I watched a dog whisperer episode showing puppy mills and couldn't believe what went on. this is some funny shit, considering the size of your country and population wise Uk has US beat by the number of peddlers, but that's not what we're talking about here. Mandog as long as you feed your own dogs, breed them the way they're suppose to be always aiming to produce dogs of good caliber for you and responsible parties, pay no mind to non constructive criticism, especially from people who dont know jack about you.
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Post by mandog on Aug 8, 2010 22:00:54 GMT
Thanks all, the breeding was planned way in advance and was 5 hour drive up and about 4 hour drive back, if i was a peddler i would of just gone up the road to someone i know who has a blue staff and got it done for free. I'm a good honest bloke with my own family in a nice detached house in a quite area i don't smoke or drink or take drugs. Into superfood and keep fit by jogging and mixed martial arts, my hobbies are hunting were i have over 1000 acres to shoot over. My dogs are my best friends, i take pride in them, end of story. No peddler here thankyou. I also am very interested in the staffords history as we all know it but that does'nt mean i condone it. Hopefully this will be the end of it now.
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