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Post by phil on Jun 22, 2011 21:15:50 GMT
just thought i would let you all know my news ... Star is now IKC champion Star and Daisy do is now IKC grand champion Daisy ;D ;D
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Jun 23, 2011 9:47:10 GMT
well done phil and gem
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Post by barb on Jun 23, 2011 17:44:08 GMT
Well done Phil.That is brilliant. Congratulations!!
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Post by phil on Jun 24, 2011 18:30:13 GMT
thanks guys
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Post by matt on Jun 25, 2011 16:02:12 GMT
good on ya mate , and i like your dogs alot,but what exactly does the champion, grand champion,really meen and what do you and the dogs gain by these titles?this is not a dig at you and yours mate.
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Post by phil on Jun 25, 2011 22:51:17 GMT
cheers matt , mate to tell you the truth for me its just nice to get something, i put allot of time and work in to my dogs (imo) and for some1 to reconise that makes it all worth it . i get a lot of enjoyment out of my dogs and seeing them do well on the day , kind of tells me i might be going in the right direction with how i prepeare my dogs for such acitivitys
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Post by ian on Jun 26, 2011 10:14:17 GMT
well done phil, i like your dogs too but i also take matts point! i reckon its far more important to feel yourself that you have a good dog, champion or not! but congratulations anyway.
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Jun 26, 2011 11:55:25 GMT
keep doing what your doing phil, not everyone will agree but i do.
Keep up the good work. ;D
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2011 16:32:57 GMT
cheers matt , mate to tell you the truth for me its just nice to get something, i put allot of time and work in to my dogs (imo) and for some1 to reconise that makes it all worth it . i get a lot of enjoyment out of my dogs and seeing them do well on the day , kind of tells me i might be going in the right direction with how i prepeare my dogs for such acitivitys fair enough pal, as i said before you and your family and dogs are top class in my opinion, ;)you are going in the right direction .i was just wondering what it was all about, seeing as shakka managed to bluff his way to get abbeys grchampion title.    it all seems a bit of a who you know not what you know. |
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Jun 26, 2011 17:00:16 GMT
how exactly did i bluff grand champion ? please explain. Are you also implying that me my family and dogs are bottom class too? Sorry to tread on your thread phil, but some people dont care.
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2011 17:05:29 GMT
i do beleive there was a little issue with rules on weight pull,you could explain better yourself you was the one who told me about it.  i was not implying you or your family or your dogs are bottom class, far from it, just stating i dont think the titles are worth the paper there written on. |
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Jun 26, 2011 17:12:30 GMT
Yes she got a point for weightpull which was supposed to be a speed pull but then if noone else noticed there was no stop watch and i did thats hardly my fault. Abbey's not even grand champion anymore. While were at it Osiris is Grand Champion now too. ;D
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Post by matt on Jun 26, 2011 17:29:08 GMT
good on you shakka, i wasnt trying to put your lot down ,just stating as i have said before the titles are not worth the paper there written on.you need to lay of the funny fags bruva.lol.
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Post by ...Paul... on Jun 26, 2011 18:48:55 GMT
well done phil, ypur dogs allways seemed mate  |
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Post by ian on Jun 26, 2011 20:03:30 GMT
i have dogs myself that i have bred and have become champions and if I'm honest they are not the best dogs i have ever owned i.m.o. and i have lived with them day in and day out, but they did what they needed to do to become champions in the athletics dept but theres as much to know away from athleticts dept. Only a few days ago i turned someone down as they wanted to use my dog for stud, as i felt his bitch was better than my dog and as he has practically the choice of any dog in the country why restrict his choice just because he's local!!! I could have easily taken the full price offered when the time comes!!!!! did those dogs become great dogs the moment they became champions? No, i have had much better dogs that for whatever reason never became champions!! you have to be honest with yourself (right). i don't know Phil's dogs other than from pics and they look the business as i have said before and for all i know they may be the best dogs alive! but all I'm saying is you have to look beyond the paper work pedigree and titles and look closely at the dogs yourself, it also works the other way too, in that it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of your dog! if in your opinion your dog is a great dog then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of that dog! all i wanted to state is that there is some truth in what Matt Say's. please don't take this as any criticism of Phil's dogs as i don't know his dogs and good luck to him and his dogs. hope i have made myself clear as it is so easy for statements to be taken out of context.  |
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Post by phil on Jun 27, 2011 19:23:31 GMT
i understand what is being said there is alot more to each dog than its paper work and titles ... there are alot of dogs out there that dont have any paper work but imo they are some of the best . i take my dogs out for the enjoyment factor for my self and the dogs
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Post by ian on Jun 27, 2011 20:22:24 GMT
good for you Phil and you should rightly be pleased with your dogs achievements and like you say one of the most enjoyable aspects of keeping our dogs is getting out there and having fun with them when training or competing but there are other things to consider like weather a Stafford has the correct temperament, without that quality he/she can never be a great Stafford no matter how many runs they can do over the a-frame or how many titles they have!!! a dog that can do many runs over the a-frame and has become a champion but wont hold his ground with another dog when challenged would be a good a-frame athlete but never a great Stafford or if he/she is unreliable with people, what i am trying to say is athletics and comformation is one side of it but not the be all and end all and you have to put all the different aspects together and judge the said dog as a whole. i hope that makes my point a bit clearer and good luck with your dogs in the future mate. |
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Post by ian on Jun 28, 2011 18:53:28 GMT
in fact there is a lot more to a Stafford's character than just being able to stand his ground with other dogs and being reliable around people. A Stafford's nature should be brimming with expression and overflowing friendliness with people, he should be keenly alive to his surroundings and takes great interest in life itself, as someone said "every day is just like Christmas to a Stafford" i couldn't sum it up better! for me it is this character that sets the Stafford apart from his close cousins and when you find a "good un" there is nothing to compare!! they are a joy to keep, if you can get all the essentials in one dog then you will have a dog truly worth his/her weight in gold.  |
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2011 21:44:17 GMT
compleatly agree with you there mate , wouldn't keep a dog that was not reliable around people .. the way you talk about the stafford is spot on imo EVERYDAY IS LIKE CHRISTMAS TO A STAFFORD that why i love them some much .
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Post by mbb on Jun 29, 2011 10:18:22 GMT
well done phil daisy n star are both cracking staffords
i know i havent posted in a long time and i agree these titles are to easy to get and dont really mean much now you should get points for something exceptional setting a new record etc but its only a bit of fun for most and its better than doing nothing with the dogs and its nice to get some recognition if your dog is doing well.
but lets not get carried away after all these dogs we have are just family pets no one is ever gonna put the dogs through a proper keep or put the dog in the pit and breed from winners only
ian i like your description staffs should be like everyday is christmass
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Post by ian on Jun 29, 2011 19:29:05 GMT
(these staffords just think every day is christmas) its not my description but very true never the less! if you can get true character/temperament with true form and all-round athletic ability then you would have a "good un" and if it has a title as well, thats great too (icing on the cake) but don't forget the cake is more important than the icing!!! its taken me 25yrs to get a bitch Stafford that is worthy of her breed and i don't need a title to tell me she's the right sort but if she gets one that would be great, and if she don't i still know she is a great Stafford. i also had one once that i got from a rescue, unfortunately he had no paper work or his crown jewels but he never put a foot wrong, head up all the way, he never got a title, only because he never got the opportunity!!! he was my un-crowned champion and it was a shame when he passed away, aged 12 yrs (cancer). please don't get the idea that i think all titles are worthless, you just have to see past them. |
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Post by ian on Jun 29, 2011 19:32:16 GMT
well done phil daisy n star are both cracking staffords i know i havent posted in a long time and i agree these titles are to easy to get and dont really mean much now you should get points for something exceptional setting a new record etc but its only a bit of fun for most and its better than doing nothing with the dogs and its nice to get some recognition if your dog is doing well. but lets not get carried away after all these dogs we have are just family pets no one is ever gonna put the dogs through a proper keep or put the dog in the pit and breed from winners only ian i like your description staffs should be like everyday is christmass hi mate long time no hear, how are you and yours? |
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Post by mbb on Jun 29, 2011 20:18:43 GMT
hi ian were all good
dont really go to events now
we went to eds in march and the last one where some dogs got 4 points for beating there pbs in pulling and a frame hence a lot of dogs moved up to gr ch etc nell is now ch 2 points a frame 2 ponits wp for all its worth shes turned out quite well but ill never find another honour
hows u and yours mate hope all ok
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Post by ian on Jun 29, 2011 21:21:42 GMT
hi mark, glad to hear your all well, it just goes to prove that you have to look past the paper work (titles) and (politics) instead look closely at the individual dogs in different events and make your own mind up as if they are good dogs or not!!!!!!!
my family are all good mate. Ian. p.s. i made sure honour got a fair crack!!!!
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Post by mbb on Jun 30, 2011 7:04:29 GMT
hi mark, glad to hear your all well, it just goes to prove that you have to look past the paper work (titles) and (politics) instead look closely at the individual dogs in different events and make your own mind up as if they are good dogs or not!!!!!!! my family are all good mate. Ian. p.s. i made sure honour got a fair crack!!!! thats right ian i dont think i ever thanked you for that one time nearly ended up in a fight over the a frame glad your all well mate sorry phil for posting all over your thread |
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Post by ian on Jun 30, 2011 13:03:47 GMT
no worries mate, you have now and it was good to see justice done!
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it all seems a bit of a who you know not what you know.
i was not implying you or your family or your dogs are bottom class, far from it, just stating i dont think the titles are worth the paper there written on.
