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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 23, 2010 22:08:40 GMT
I hope to be able to put together a 10 mile race with all the moneys from entries going to the winner. This will be along with a handler on bike. Hope this will be well recieved. Just post below if interested. This is the interest of promoting endurance type events. Something i think our dogs lack tests for This would be open to any breed, as long as its legal. Cheers, Neil
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Post by mbb on Oct 24, 2010 14:13:46 GMT
neil let me know details if i can get the dog and bike there ill be up for that
thanks mark
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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 24, 2010 18:26:43 GMT
If anyone has any ideas for a circuit please let me know, Cheers. I will keep on searching round here
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Post by Shakka-Staffs on Oct 24, 2010 18:31:21 GMT
sounds like a great idea but i cant ride 10 miles lol
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Post by phil on Oct 24, 2010 20:02:54 GMT
Hello mate sounds really good , what sort of place you looking for ? all off road ?
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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 24, 2010 20:30:36 GMT
yep all off road mate
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Post by oldetyme on Oct 25, 2010 15:21:40 GMT
just a question Neil, is the bike and rider not more important components in the winning of the race and the dog just tagging along! let me put it another way who ever wins would the result not be be the same whatever dog is attached. the person is the power sauce, the bike delivers the power and the dog just happens to be along for the ride? type of bike and condition of bike aswell as strength and fitness of rider would be far more important factors as regards to winning!!!!
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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 25, 2010 17:30:17 GMT
disagree m8, a fit dog will be in front of the bike and will only travel at a pace it can achieve when tiring. If this is not scene as an adequate test, what would others suggestions be for a test for stamina. I do like the dutch test of track mills, a point scored every time a dog crosses the line. The track mill is a continous loop.
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Post by dog on Oct 25, 2010 17:42:54 GMT
just a question Neil, is the bike and rider not more important components in the winning of the race and the dog just tagging along! let me put it another way who ever wins would the result not be be the same whatever dog is attached. the person is the power sauce, the bike delivers the power and the dog just happens to be along for the ride? type of bike and condition of bike aswell as strength and fitness of rider would be far more important factors as regards to winning!!!! It does partly depend on how the dog is tethered, the bike and the terrain but after the first few hundred metres you'll find that the Dog begins to slow down and over a longer distance the bike is far faster and more efficient so you will have to slow up to allow for the Dog. In bikejoring competitions there are very strict rules about the length of tether and the stretch in the bungee/shock absorber which make it harder because the Dog actually has to put some tension into the line (it's pulling you), it makes it technically very difficult to ride with slack in the line. Over longer distances even a very unfit rider should be faster than a fit, athletic Dog. I'm really unfit at the moment and when Sonny is tethered he's blowing alot harder than I am. You have to try quite hard to match the speed of the Dog, you rarely have to push yourself to keep up. I would say that it's a test of the partnership between the rider and Dog rather than one or the other.
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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 25, 2010 19:09:23 GMT
ok maybe not a race, just a get together. no need to worry about bugger all then. anyone got a bike dog and up for a day out? Theres a nice route with a good pub we can have a drink on the green outside ;D
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Post by mbb on Oct 25, 2010 19:58:16 GMT
whatever you decide keep us posted would be nice to catch up and try something a bit different be it a race or just for fun
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Post by oldetyme on Oct 26, 2010 19:38:10 GMT
ok maybe not a race, just a get together. no need to worry about bugger all then. anyone got a bike dog and up for a day out? Theres a nice route with a good pub we can have a drink on the green outside ;D i would deffo be up for that mate and have a very good route which is called the knowl hill bridle circuit which is on the net. i used it to train my dogs there. it is a great place, very idealic and has one of the oldest inns in berkshire (the bell), its very close to where the mouth of the south show was on sunday (birchetts green). it has a harder route of about 15 miles or a smaller route of 8 miles or both can be done. and as for a test with the bikes, i still think it can be done, i.e. find a route, run a fit dog round, get the time and then see if all entries can get round within a certain time as close to the said dog! hope that makes sense!!!
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Post by oldetyme on Oct 26, 2010 19:45:37 GMT
disagree m8, a fit dog will be in front of the bike and will only travel at a pace it can achieve when tiring. If this is not scene as an adequate test, what would others suggestions be for a test for stamina. I do like the dutch test of track mills, a point scored every time a dog crosses the line. The track mill is a continous loop. sorry bud, i didn't realise you meant dogs out in front on a tight line, i thought you meant at the side on the springer or doggie walker. yeah, i agree it could be a good test, maybe have another bike in front with someone who knows the dog to give them the incentive to run.
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Post by neilsherlock on Oct 26, 2010 20:17:16 GMT
Yes, mate lily loves it when someone passes us in a car a makes the usual 'you twat' comment at me when riding! shes goes like the clappers then! obusive callers could be an option. Let me know when your free mate and ill come over with the bike. Are the pathways big enough for both of us to ride, only they would need to be big enough for people to over take etc
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Post by oldetyme on Oct 27, 2010 13:21:05 GMT
Yes, mate lily loves it when someone passes us in a car a makes the usual 'you twat' comment at me when riding! shes goes like the clappers then! obusive callers could be an option. Let me know when your free mate and ill come over with the bike. Are the pathways big enough for both of us to ride, only they would need to be big enough for people to over take etc for me they are, but i'm not sure about yourself ;D. you could always come over and do a walk or ride round first, see what you thinks, i would also have to have time to get harry in shape as i haven't done anything with him for a while! the only problem is sometimes other walkers and horse riders, if you know a place more private, might be better.
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Post by gemma on Nov 2, 2010 19:07:07 GMT
count me and daisy in sounds like great fun!!
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Post by neilsherlock on Nov 2, 2010 21:38:59 GMT
Wil get something sorted
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Post by sabre on Nov 3, 2010 13:29:11 GMT
Let me know when you sort something out Neil would love to do this with Zena, but can I do it on horseback!!! I can lend you Kev Niel to ride!!!! lol Only joking have a walky dog on my bike will be good to get some fresh air.
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Post by phil on Nov 4, 2010 21:19:49 GMT
Hello neil , just thinking how you getting on trying to find somewhere ? we got a few estates by us they use the for sponcered rides (on horses) and fun runs , would it be to far away for pepole as we are in oxfordshire
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Post by neilsherlock on Nov 4, 2010 22:18:23 GMT
no that sounds spot on mate. Phil if you can help then let me know. we can sort it out together im sure. If its on private land all the better m8. As soon as we have a venue it can be a comp, other wise its gonna be a fun run.
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Post by phil on Nov 6, 2010 19:39:02 GMT
Happy to try and help mate , got quite a few places round here being in the countryside , ill try and get a bit of info
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2010 9:00:17 GMT
Hello mate Enysham hall , is where from time to time they hold horse rides across there land oneof them being a 10 mile ride , very quite area , all private land ill pm you a number for them , or there is the paths that are on common land so maybe no permission needed
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Post by jjbulls on Nov 10, 2010 21:50:50 GMT
It sounds great Neil ... but to be honist the dog can only go as fast as the bike rider .... no matter how its tethered . I know that my Beau can really motor..! gut she would be held back by me ....as i couldnt keep up her pace ... ive experenced this in the Iron dog show ...you can have the best dog in the world ....but if the rider cant keep up ...its proving nothing .... Sorry mate .. great Idear & loads of fun .. but cant prove the dogs endurence... i would come along for the ride .... but with my stabalizers...!!
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Post by neilsherlock on Nov 10, 2010 23:00:22 GMT
iron dog is not a test, its twice round a field, 10 miles is a diffrent matter and the dog will not be held back by the rider. Big diffrence mate
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Post by dog on Nov 11, 2010 11:39:09 GMT
Sonny has great stamina and he's obviously very tall and leggy in comparison to a Stafford, he goes for about eight miles before he starts to slow significantly, the initial mad sprint only lasts a few hundred metres before the heart and lungs start working. For comparison, most Husky sprint races are about four miles these days...most of them consider that enough to test the Dogs. The European bikejoring championships are over five miles.
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Post by mike7 on Nov 11, 2010 13:18:41 GMT
Hello. I have begun to cycle with my dog for the past 2 or 3 months as he is now 18months old. He can run at 6mph average for 5 miles. As I live in the Highlands the terrain is mixed, and we go for it up the hill, and slow on the downside. I would suggest that if a cyclist cannot keep up with a dog for 10miles the cyclist needs more training, not the dog! Any average cyclist should be able to maintain 10mph easy on a mountain bike, 20mph on a racer for 10 miles. Also, if the dog is on a side bar, as mine is, then you will not be dragging the dog anywhere. A good owner will know when the dog is flagging and will slow down.Mine tends to bite my leg if I go too fast! If anyone could tell me what a good long legged Staffordshire can run 10 miles in, I would appreciate it for future training references. cheers,Mike
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Post by oldetyme on Nov 13, 2010 19:28:13 GMT
Dianne jessop in her book the working pit bull terrier was of the opinion that the cycle endurance test needed looking at because almost any dog of average condition could be forced to run 12 miles!!! if it were set with the dog pulling and doing all the work then i think it is a good idea but if the dog is just connected to the side then i believe there is far more emphases on bike and man. to many variables for a valid test of the dog. for me it would be a test for man and bike with dogs welcome to come along for the ride. let me give a scenario, if you used the same dog but different bike and rider, do you think the times would be similar because the same dog was used or do you think the times would differ because of the different rider and bike? would be good fun but not a true test.
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Post by neilsherlock on Nov 15, 2010 13:45:17 GMT
ok anyone any other suggestions, Not geting shitty, just think the days on offer at the moment offer nothing in the way of a test and an endurance test is the most important in my opinion. All the tests so far at these shows are good fun, but nothing demanding. The weight pull seems quite demanding but animals that were breed to fight for hours will not retain there type by pulling heavy weight. Its a test but no specifically correct for Bull and terrier types. I suggested the use of a 3 minuite A frame and that now seems to be used at but thats anareobic quality test, i would also like to see aerobic tests.
Whats the answer?
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Post by Vincent on Nov 15, 2010 18:01:01 GMT
Dianne jessop in her book the working pit bull terrier was of the opinion that the cycle endurance test needed looking at because almost any dog of average condition could be forced to run 12 miles!!! if it were set with the dog pulling and doing all the work then i think it is a good idea but if the dog is just connected to the side then i believe there is far more emphases on bike and man. to many variables for a valid test of the dog. for me it would be a test for man and bike with dogs welcome to come along for the ride. let me give a scenario, if you used the same dog but different bike and rider, do you think the times would be similar because the same dog was used or do you think the times would differ because of the different rider and bike? would be good fun but not a true test. Its beeen a looong old time since i posted and i didn't get to any of the event days this year which i apologise for. but.. Isn't what you said about also testing the rider/owner also a good thing too. personally I'd suggest having the owner running with teh dog not cycling as it shows a level of commitment from an owner. There are a number of people who are concerned with training there dogs and not themselves and training alonside the dog could give an owner a ceartain level of empathy for their dog and make an owner appreciate things such as proper nutrician and rest days better. As for the good fun and not a proper test, i think teh most important thing with the kind of dogs people on these boards have i think having fun whilst getting the most you can out of the dogs whilst having fun with them is key to giving a dog a fulfilling life. These are Sporting dogs not working dogs from my point of view.
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Post by oldetyme on Nov 15, 2010 18:21:12 GMT
as i have said before, i would keep it simple, abit of a-frame, tug o war and drag pulling and repeat several times. tbh i have lost any interest in doing anything more with the dogs, if i do attend anymore events it will be as a spectator. i think there is scope for something good for the bull n terrier breeds, here's hoping!
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