muscle tone

[Shakka-Staffs]

whats the best way to increase both muscle and tone in abbey ?
diet exercise etc ??

[neilsherlock]

Jun 23, 2008 15:54:23 GMT Shakka-Staffs said:

whats the best way to increase both muscle and tone in abbey ?
diet exercise etc ??

youve answered ur own question mate, just vary the exercise

[grchmason]

Hi
I found no two dogs are the same its really just a case of trail and era as to what your dog can do and what he or she likes doing best and of course how much time you get with your dog

i would always start with your dogs diet weigh everything get a good set of salter scales and remember rest rest rest try a 3 on 1 off work load and take it from there.

Rest is something that is rarely mentioned when conditioning and to me is where so many people go wrong

and try and make sure after you have done your exercise try and feed your dog 30 mins after his her workout

what do you currently feed your dog? amount? excersise?

hope this helps

Tarren

[alza]

thanx for the info grchmason..my dog kye is only 7 months old & just gets walked 3 times a day for about 45min each walk but i am going to make an a frame soon..

[danlamont]

totally agree tarren good advice

[Jessica]

Good advice tarren -
We always feed the dogs after excercise - they have a 'worked for it' feeling and know the routine now.
I also make sure i soak the food that way the goodnes from the food is absorbed straight into the gut, rather than the gut having to break the food down first.

I agre with rest too - And what food someone may think is brillaint for thier dog may not work for yours. - everyone of our dogs are on different food, Pain in the arse, but some seem to look better on some food than others.

For example if i feed Poppy the expensive burns so will look no were near as good as she does on The food she is on now - vice versa with Bert.

You have to remember too that it can be down to genetics - Lotti does the same exercise as Poppy - but to look at them you would never think lotti had ever been bloody exercised she wont build muscle definition like Poppy but she is def stong and very fast

Your abbey looks good so what ever your doing keem it up!

[Shakka-Staffs]

Thankyou for all your advice i am trying very hard with her and as some of you will know ive even panicked at times thinking im doing everything wrong, Shes the best looking dog in the world in my eyes i just wish she had some more get up and go when it comes to pulling and a frame. If i let her pull with ronnie or a frame with him she does it all day long if i do a frame on her own she looks at me as if to say dad you keep pulling that lure away from me so why the hell should i chase it anymore lolol.
Abbeys exercise is definatly varied anyway, one day i will do lots and others nothing apart from 2 or 3 walks. I have been piling on the fatt the last couple of weeks with her, some of you will think shes has gotten more weight on her im sure. But now i will spend the next week working hard with her trying to convert that fatt into muscle.

Abbeys general routine,give or take

Walk to school followed by park for 30 mins
hr or 2 later A frame for 10 mins.
Lunchtime Flirtpole in the park. 15 mins walk
3 oclock walk to both schools to pick kids up.
4 oclock afternoon A frame 10 mins
5 oclock dnner
evening time either out with ronnie pulling tyres or 2 hour walk on beach (sprints included) or 2-3 mile bike ride.

She will do this about 3-4 days in 7 the rest of the time she only does the school runs and park 2 times a day this is where she rests. (and boy can she sleep)

I feed her at 5 oclock should i maybe change this so she has had to work for her dinner ??

[alza]

shakka your abbeys looking excellent m8 hope i can get my dog kye looking as good well done m8....
p.s shakka who's ronnie??

[Shakka-Staffs]

ronnie is abbeys boyfriend owned by dan there are some videos and that of them togeather on here as well as some pictures of them togeather.

heres one post i found quick

s-a-c-s.proboards84.com/index.cgi?board=mv&action=display&thread=421

[alza]

hi shakka thanx for the link!!but i cant make out the dogs too well..lol

[Shakka-Staffs]

na but theres some pics further down

[alza]

cheers m8 ronnie is a cracking dog!!

[grchmason]

Jul 22, 2008 13:14:20 GMT Shakka-Staffs said:

Thankyou for all your advice i am trying very hard with her and as some of you will know ive even panicked at times thinking im doing everything wrong, Shes the best looking dog in the world in my eyes i just wish she had some more get up and go when it comes to pulling and a frame. If i let her pull with ronnie or a frame with him she does it all day long if i do a frame on her own she looks at me as if to say dad you keep pulling that lure away from me so why the hell should i chase it anymore lolol.
Abbeys exercise is definatly varied anyway, one day i will do lots and others nothing apart from 2 or 3 walks. I have been piling on the fatt the last couple of weeks with her, some of you will think shes has gotten more weight on her im sure. But now i will spend the next week working hard with her trying to convert that fatt into muscle.

Abbeys general routine,give or take

Walk to school followed by park for 30 mins
hr or 2 later A frame for 10 mins.
Lunchtime Flirtpole in the park. 15 mins walk
3 oclock walk to both schools to pick kids up.
4 oclock afternoon A frame 10 mins
5 oclock dnner
evening time either out with ronnie pulling tyres or 2 hour walk on beach (sprints included) or 2-3 mile bike ride.

She will do this about 3-4 days in 7 the rest of the time she only does the school runs and park 2 times a day this is where she rests. (and boy can she sleep)

I feed her at 5 oclock should i maybe change this so she has had to work for her dinner ??

Hi
She looks really well in that pic good work. Looking at what you do etc its very scattered out. I would try and break it up in to 2 sets a day ie mornning and afternoon workout or as i do 1 solid workout

what ever suits your timescale and lifestyle

Remember if you are doing 2 work outs per day then you feed your dog twice a day after each workout and if 1 workout than just once a day. How much you feed is dependent on the dog in question as they are all indeed different no 2 dogs the same.

turning fat to muscle is a myth mate. Although the larger person or dog with have a greater muscle than a normal or lighter person or dog simply because he has to carry a greater load

There is fat and there is muscle. They are two completely different things that can not magically become each other. The only thing fat can do is increase and decrease. The only thing muscle can do is increase and decrease. Only a proper diet plan and or cardio workout will help with losing the fat and only a proper diet plan and weight training workout will help with gaining the muscle.

Sounds and looks like you are doing a great job just needs to be finely tuned to get the best possible condition for your bitch

i would love to hear about what your feeding ie kibble or barf??

hope this helps

Tarren

[Shakka-Staffs]

Tarren thanks for the info currently she is on kibble by james welbeloved at 5 pm (200 gramms) with a desicated liver tablet a cod liver oil and a evening primrose oil too . she will have a bonio in the morning and an apple sometime during the day.simple as that. Shes very small and short legged but we love her. She loves flirt pole and lure but she seems to get fed up on the a frame.

[grchmason]

Jul 22, 2008 21:51:48 GMT Shakka-Staffs said:

Tarren thanks for the info currently she is on kibble by james welbeloved at 5 pm (200 gramms) with a desicated liver tablet a cod liver oil and a evening primrose oil too . she will have a bonio in the morning and an apple sometime during the day.simple as that. Shes very small and short legged but we love her. She loves flirt pole and lure but she seems to get fed up on the a frame.

Hi Mate

no probs at all hope it helps. Your Kibble james wellbeloved is not really up to the job the fat content is around 10% and protein around 20%

I like around 20% fat 30% protien when in a keep. i feed eukanuba puppy to my adult dogs when conditioning because the puppy food has far more superior vits and is digests so much easier than standard dog food and so in this case you really dont need to add supplements

or if your happy with your food than add one or two tea spoons of coconut oil just to up the fat content and hopefully you will see her energy levels sore

i really like her she looks a cracking bitch and im sure she will do you proud

Tarren

[neilsherlock]

Also theres the fact shes still maturing, so be very carfull not to over load her. Shes doing quite alot in that regime youve got and u may not realise how much because its spread out through the day. I would try and keep the hard work together myself, 1o mins A frame is a hell of a lot of concussion on her joints and they are still forming. Why not do 3 sets of 1 min just like the comp. That way on comp days, she may not think F**k me ive got to do this for 10 mins. she will also buil her anerobic capabiliy. follow that with the flirt pole while shes warm and that should be suffice with all that walking.

[danlamont]

well said neil honour and murphy was not worked hard until they were 18 months i will dig out a picture of murphy he looks like a different dog now

[Shakka-Staffs]

i keep forgetting shes still growing and taking all thats been said i am totally revising how much she does for now.

[alza]

hey shakka glad you started this thread as i am getting all the info for kye!!abbey is looking well good

[mno]

She looks fine just enjoy her.

[Jessica]

Has she had her first season yet shakka?? she is still young we dont really do anything with our dogs untill they are a year - then work them hard - even the a frame just let them jump on it play around and encourage them - we dont tran them on it.

You have to think of the impact on her joints - it could lead to real probs when she s older if you do too much - you have olently of tme to get the best from her let her mature prop first then get her working she wil enjoy it more!! she is beautiful!

[mno]

A lot of their structure and muscle tone is genetic. Harvey has missed out on walks due to the pups being here and he still looks really fit. Just enjoy your dog and don't push them too hard. We only get Skye really into peak condition when she is going in a show.

[Shakka-Staffs]

abbey is 15 months now she is due in her 2nd season 2 weeks ago i took her to the vet yesterday and no sign of it yet.so now she will be attendng tomorrow all shes done for 2 days now is a bit of flirt pole.

[openallhours27]

Abbey looks lovely.

[neilsherlock]

i must say that i thought she was the best conditioned dog at eds last week imo, and she looks so much more mature now days, hind quatrers are quite spectacular. Shes a lovely bitch shaka and a credit to your family.

[Shakka-Staffs]

ty for all you advice and comments, i now have her doing 10-15 reps over the a frame before a small breakfast and the same again in the evening before she gets dinner. She already knows the drill and when i start to make her dinner shes already on the a frame waiting. Shes holding her weight nicely now at 37lbs.

[bradandtracey]

good thread shakka i picked up some good tips too

[mno]

The muscle tone on Hurley's bitch at Ed's day was amazing. Maybe have to get some tips off him on muscle tone.

[gamester1]

sorry folks, i'm no expert on conditioning, but for what its worth, i put in a four week keep, slowly build up the exercise for the first two weeks then i used a hard day followed by an easy day.a hard day would consist of at least 10-15 miles, an easy day would be about 3 miles.one of my best exercises is to put a long lead from my bike to their harness and get her to pull for 6 miles. i also have elec treadmill and one my other hobbies is long country walking and so for me it is a pleasure and not a chore. i feed high activity eukanuba kibble.

[adam]

you cant actually 'tone' the muscle you either have muscle with no fat over or you dont it makes alot of difference to the way the dog looks.
the only way to make the muscle show more is drop body fat so you can see it more, the muscles are a pre determined shape so they cant be altered (they can get bigger) but the shape always stays the same.
your dog looks to have a good amount of muscle the only way to get it showing more is drop body fat and looking at her wont take too long at all.
nice looking dog by the way