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Post by scylax on Feb 23, 2009 11:41:12 GMT
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Post by jjbullterriers on Jun 14, 2009 6:47:27 GMT
Its a real history page ! love the pics some great dogs ...excellent post .........jj
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 18:01:15 GMT
always nice to see pictures of game staffords of bygone times.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 20:33:44 GMT
Not so sure my self, some of these dogs conformationaly are fucked and over a long working carrier would have suffered with constent conditioning. We knock the show world but we must never underestimate good construction!
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 21:02:12 GMT
gr.ch. big red was an awesome looking dog down off the dublin red strain which were down off pure k.c. stock and can be traced back to gentleman jim.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 21:08:32 GMT
yep but physcos sister, jesus! and a couple of the others too ! Milo's feet ?
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 21:16:14 GMT
i never knew he had a sister called jesus! lol. ;D yeah, i hear what your saying my man. milo's feet did turn out a bit and were long ,thin and splayed but he was game and at the end of the day thats all that mattered in that game.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 21:25:21 GMT
I undersatnd good looks dont make champs but good construction does, especiecally over the long term
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Post by caz on Jun 14, 2009 21:25:26 GMT
yep but physcos sister, jesus! and a couple of the others too ! Milo's feet ? you talking abt pounders ch milo he was a great dog won at many ed reid shows same as big red.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 14, 2009 21:26:14 GMT
The photo is terrible. He is standing in wet sand i think?? - I dont think he could stand up if his feet really were like that? I understand what your saying neil that was my thoughts too, but i dont think that confirmation was in mind when breeding some of these?! The red dogs are spot on though!
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 21:29:55 GMT
yep but physcos sister, jesus! and a couple of the others too ! Milo's feet ? you talking abt pounders ch milo he was a great dog won at many ed reid shows same as big red. yes i am
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 21:33:45 GMT
i never knew he had a sister called jesus! lol. ;D yeah, i hear what your saying my man. milo's feet did turn out a bit and were long ,thin and splayed but he was game and at the end of the day thats all that mattered in that game. How many times did he win? see the thing is good balance and construction prolongs the working carrier of any animal, long pasterns, played feet do not aid the longevity of a working carrier, wheather horse or dog ar anything else.
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 21:40:40 GMT
i think he was x1 winner but had been rolled numerous times and had proved to be a "good un". he got his championship in the show ring. in the pit he beat a dog called chainman who was also a dog of very good reputation!
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Post by allan on Jun 14, 2009 21:47:56 GMT
gr.ch. big red was an awesome looking dog down off the dublin red strain which were down off pure k.c. stock and can be traced back to gentleman jim. yeah i like this dog too stunning dog!!
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Post by dog on Jun 14, 2009 21:50:12 GMT
I don't think you can dispute any of those dog's crudentials as good fighting dogs but I wonder what they'd look like at ten or fifteen years of age, some of the conformation is shocking, weak pasterns and elbows at all sorts of angles mainly. Some of them are very nice conformationally, Big Red in particular but I doubt even the owners of most of those dogs would say they were conformationally sound.
Gameness, determination and drive will overcome lots of things as has been proven but very few of those dogs are the complete package.
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 21:52:58 GMT
i know milo lived to be an old dog as i have seen pictures of him.
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Post by allan on Jun 14, 2009 21:55:00 GMT
good thread this...but could someone post a pic of a dog that has excellent conformation thanx Alza
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 21:55:11 GMT
NOT KNOCKING A DOG THAT DOES THAT! but one time is my point, would such a dog constructed a way stand up to a full carrier? I am a farrier and have been to New Market and studied winners worth 7 mil, they do have confomatonal faults but heart gets them through, the true champs have all the heart and sound construction, they win again and again and again!
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 21:59:59 GMT
i'm just playing devil's advocate here. i agree that balance and good comformation are important but these guys who owned these dogs would say to you that if you are going to put down good money then you better focus on things like gameness, wind and if you can get good bite without losing the former then all well and good but the moment you start trying to get good feet or good tail carriage then you will be on to a loser and wouldn't last five minutes in the game.
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Post by dog on Jun 14, 2009 22:02:42 GMT
good thread this...but could someone post a pic of a dog that has excellent conformation thanx Alza Certainly, here you go ;D lol
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Post by dog on Jun 14, 2009 22:05:42 GMT
i'm just playing devil's advocate here. i agree that balance and good comformation are important but these guys who owned these dogs would say to you that if you are going to put down good money then you better focus on things like gameness, wind and if you can get good bite without losing the former then all well and good but the moment you start trying to get good feet or good tail carriage then you will be on to a loser and wouldn't last five minutes in the game. I can't disagree with that, gameness and wind have to be the highest priority although I'm sure if the people who bred these dogs could carry on breeding forever they would want to knock the rough edges of their conformation.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 22:06:04 GMT
nice one dog, heres some explained
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Post by Vincent on Jun 14, 2009 22:07:03 GMT
alot of dog fighting depends on where a dog bites, dogs will tend to attack a certain spot be it legs nose neck throat etc. i know groin dogs are favorable because a bite there hits a main atery. neck is a kill but hard to get nose and leg are wounds.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 22:07:20 GMT
you will be lucky to ever get 45 degrees shoulders it should be more like 35-40
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 22:07:57 GMT
yes but thats living in an ideal world! and yes that dog does have great comformation but then you knew i'd say that!!! cheeky. lol
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Post by allan on Jun 14, 2009 22:09:14 GMT
good thread this...but could someone post a pic of a dog that has excellent conformation thanx Alza Certainly, here you go ;D lol haha nice one dog i new your where going too post a pic of sonny..atb Alza
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 22:12:17 GMT
Good balance and construction prolongs an animals working carrier, simple ! But not sure if this type of breeder gave a toss about that ? Not my choice but hey ! It should be about standard of living for the creatures we bring into the world, not the money or name we make off them.
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Post by ianhurley on Jun 14, 2009 22:13:13 GMT
the english bull terrier above has near perfect comformation. and if he carries on in the same vein then i predict a best in show or two or three. it will be interesting to see how he does in the athletics and i will look on with interest.
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Post by dog on Jun 14, 2009 22:18:03 GMT
Thanks mate, I like him too but I might be persuaded to swap him for Misty.
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Post by hiphoplyricalrobot on Jun 14, 2009 22:24:43 GMT
good night
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