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Post by Jessica on May 23, 2010 15:48:03 GMT
I think the tracking is also a great test for the dogs mental ability too - Its shows thier drive and focus in a different way that that of other events....its definitely something that our bull breeds thrive at naturally - particularly the bulldogs. The dogs really enjoy it.
I think some good temperament testing aswell as the physical side of things would be of huge benefit in the UK and something we will be doing with our bulldogs in the future.
Neil you have full use of our land and the private woodland we have free access too if you need it just ask.
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Post by playerman on May 23, 2010 17:34:17 GMT
Ive been all around the world watching weight pulling for 7 years now Lee & ive seen dogs pull shit loads ov weight NOT on collars or been baited the most weight pulled at one event was 12,000lbs on rails the first UPF pull in the USA back in 2006....No WAY would a dog pulling on a collar or been baited out pull a dog in a harness....I would like to see it as ive not seen it as YET !!!! I hate to see pictures of both you no me m8 im very up front about this kind of thing,It dont look good at all !!!!
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Post by anton on May 23, 2010 18:07:20 GMT
ey playerman, you got a link to those results. the upf site doesnt show them. Just got back from UWPF pull in belgium was great fun to watch. Also didnt know that they pull with an inclination (uphill pull) when pulling on rails. It was noticable that the pulls were very even compared to flat rail pulls.
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Post by terrierboy on May 23, 2010 18:39:09 GMT
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Post by anton on May 23, 2010 19:01:10 GMT
Nice thanks for the link.
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Post by oldetyme on May 23, 2010 19:04:34 GMT
can't help but to have respect for such a dog. Awesome.
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Post by owasocourin on May 23, 2010 19:43:34 GMT
no one cold have much argument with that, thanks for sharing
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Post by jaysteph on May 23, 2010 20:26:19 GMT
on the comment on baiting i just wondered how many of you agree with baiting being wrong??? as most people down at the sacs days bait their dogs i.e weight pull even a frame everyone baits their dog(and alot of people take there dog hunting wild animals) so i think the baiting comment should be left out because clearly everyone has baited their dog at some point i must admit i would also like all my dogs to pull on harness as i to think it would be better but i also have let my dog pull on coller and baited them.
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Post by owasocourin on May 23, 2010 21:01:39 GMT
I have no idea how weight pull is really properly performed but playerman and leighandapple im sure will repost the best ways and why its that way. Baiting in the A frame for me is not a problem, it displays prey drive and thats a necessary quality. I lamp rabbits with Lily and bush them with my terrier. Prey drive is part of there make up, i believe with the weight pull its about achieving the best way to perform and the maximum pulls are achieved without baiting.
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Post by jaysteph on May 23, 2010 21:40:48 GMT
i just suppose baiting is a personal opinion? as baiting is baiting no matter what event it is people can not chose to take the moral high ground with this and then be willing to do it on another event surely???
this comment is not aimed at you neil just at sum of the baiting comment's.. as if people r against it then they should take no part in any event that requires any form of chasing something.. i think a comment was made that if a dog will not pull on command then he is not enjoying it then why make them chase something over an a-frame why not spend the time training them to do this on command?
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Post by anton on May 23, 2010 22:07:25 GMT
Neil nor my dog competed with our dogs in the weightpull IIRC. For me with other reasons aswell. But like I said before. I feel its up to the owner of the dog. To each theirown. I will compete in events that allow baiting, but I will not do it myself. No problem for me, and the end of the day the dogs perfomance is the price not the rossettes. I had my doubt whether not I would post dogs on collars on dogsportnews but I did because I want to show all of the community not just what I like. (Although I do reserve the right to edit when I please, when I do not agree with something very strongly).
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Post by oldetyme on May 24, 2010 9:02:50 GMT
i just suppose baiting is a personal opinion? as baiting is baiting no matter what event it is people can not chose to take the moral high ground with this and then be willing to do it on another event surely??? this comment is not aimed at you neil just at sum of the baiting comment's.. as if people r against it then they should take no part in any event that requires any form of chasing something.. i think a comment was made that if a dog will not pull on command then he is not enjoying it then why make them chase something over an a-frame why not spend the time training them to do this on command? jaysteph, the reason baiting is frowned upon in weight pull is because it causes the dog to throw itself against its harness, which is not good for the shoulders, this happens when the weight gets heavier, in A-frame this isn't an issue, the two activities are completely different and not comparable.
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Post by Jessica on May 24, 2010 10:07:13 GMT
i just suppose baiting is a personal opinion? as baiting is baiting no matter what event it is people can not chose to take the moral high ground with this and then be willing to do it on another event surely??? this comment is not aimed at you neil just at sum of the baiting comment's.. as if people r against it then they should take no part in any event that requires any form of chasing something.. i think a comment was made that if a dog will not pull on command then he is not enjoying it then why make them chase something over an a-frame why not spend the time training them to do this on command? jaysteph, the reason baiting is frowned upon in weight pull is because it causes the dog to throw itself against its harness, which is not good for the shoulders, this happens when the weight gets heavier, in A-frame this isn't an issue, the two activities are completely different and not comparable. The reason i don't like the baiting in weight pull is because the dog is not pulling because it wants to it pulling because its being baited... When a dog is not clear in its head what is ha to achieve it wont do it - its very simple, i think by baiting a dog with weight pull it confuses things. I know i always use the bulldogs as an example but this is one of the first videos i ever saw of weight pull. The dogs now what they are doing, apart from being very well trained they genuinely enjoy what they are doing.... Look at the the tail wagging on the red bulldog Bruno at the end.... This is what weight pull is about for me for me. The mental strength of the dog and control its very impressive and the obedience. www.youtube.com/profile?user=Johnny186#p/u/16/POAi0XTUqEc
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Post by bullrover on May 24, 2010 10:33:59 GMT
Jessica - Good video, I like to see a calm, controlled, purposeful pull rather than a frantic one, probably achieves better results, uses less energy and less injuries but I'm no expert.
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Post by leighandapple on May 24, 2010 13:14:32 GMT
I have no idea how weight pull is really properly performed but playerman and leighandapple im sure will repost the best ways and why its that way. Baiting in the A frame for me is not a problem, it displays prey drive and thats a necessary quality. I lamp rabbits with Lily and bush them with my terrier. Prey drive is part of there make up, i believe with the weight pull its about achieving the best way to perform and the maximum pulls are achieved without baiting. Steve's (Playerman) knowledge/experience is far greater than mine in this sport, so he'll be able to explain the ins and outs of why it's done the way it is. They have a great training fasility up there and train great pulling dogs. The more people showing interest in training their dogs in weight pull then there will be more training camps starting up locally. We also need to consider that it doesn't take much for things relating to Bull Breeds to be banned in this country, so we need to think how it looks to the general public, animal welfare organisations and the police.
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Post by grchmason on Jun 1, 2010 17:37:06 GMT
Great read this really had me gripped So many usefull posts alot can be learnt here!!! Tarren
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Post by quinlent on Jun 1, 2010 21:25:21 GMT
jaysteph, the reason baiting is frowned upon in weight pull is because it causes the dog to throw itself against its harness, which is not good for the shoulders, this happens when the weight gets heavier, in A-frame this isn't an issue, the two activities are completely different and not comparable. The reason i don't like the baiting in weight pull is because the dog is not pulling because it wants to it pulling because its being baited... When a dog is not clear in its head what is ha to achieve it wont do it - its very simple, i think by baiting a dog with weight pull it confuses things. I know i always use the bulldogs as an example but this is one of the first videos i ever saw of weight pull. The dogs now what they are doing, apart from being very well trained they genuinely enjoy what they are doing.... Look at the the tail wagging on the red bulldog Bruno at the end.... This is what weight pull is about for me for me. The mental strength of the dog and control its very impressive and the obedience. www.youtube.com/profile?user=Johnny186#p/u/16/POAi0XTUqEcHello Jessica< can you please explain to me the following questions: what motivates a dog to move to the end of a track is it the weightpull / pulling? Or the rewardings recieved by the handler? When you choose rewardings recieved by the handler can you explain to me the value of the difference of reward be it a bait or not. if you choose weightpull / pulling can you explain to me how the conditioning has taken place without treatment / bait / or any other type of reward or the abuse due to mental preasure (obedience) Cheers - Marco
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